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Old 10-12-2016, 07:25 PM   #31
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AalnMo, liked the video, looks like I need to find a box of Lehigh and try them out.
Looks more like what I would want, maybe the .90 grain Defender.
Buy some from Underwood:
https://www.underwoodammo.com/9mm-lu...reme-defender/

https://www.underwoodammo.com/9mm-lu...me-defender-1/

https://www.underwoodammo.com/9mm-lu...reme-defender/

I don't recommend either of the last two bullets due to ratings of +P & +P+ but to each their own.
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Old 10-13-2016, 08:26 AM   #32
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I only carry JHP for self-defense. I use FMJ for practice.
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Old 10-13-2016, 09:16 AM   #33
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I hear from mall ninjas every now and then who proclaim

"I stagger FMJ and HP ammo so if the perp is in cover behind something, I can shoot through it".

How are you going to remember what round is next in the magazine during a shootout?

"I'll wait till he exposes himself so I can hit him with a HP because that is next in the mag and I don't want to waste it by shooting at what he's hiding behind".
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I hear from mall ninjas every now and then who proclaim

"I stagger FMJ and HP ammo so if the perp is in cover behind something, I can shoot through it".

How are you going to remember what round is next in the magazine during a shootout?

"I'll wait till he exposes himself so I can hit him with a HP because that is next in the mag and I don't want to waste it by shooting at what he's hiding behind".


I think you miss understood. Ninja's will punch thru the barrier with the FMJ and send the following JHP thru the hole, into the bad guy.

You just lack the talent...

Lol !
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While I don't think staggering is a great idea I'm sure the plan would be to fire several rounds either way so both types will be flying regardless of cover.
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While I don't think staggering is a great idea I'm sure the plan would be to fire several rounds either way so both types will be flying regardless of cover.
I don't really recall why, but I know that I was taught to never stagger your rounds and that for some reason this increases the likelihood of a semi auto malfunction or stoppage.
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I think you miss understood. Ninja's will punch thru the barrier with the FMJ and send the following JHP thru the hole, into the bad guy.

You just lack the talent...

Lol !
Now I have something to work towards!
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Old 10-13-2016, 11:47 AM   #38
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Don't sweat it. Carry what you shoot. There's a lot of static out there. Ammo companies love selling you tiny, overpriced, boxes of high performance stuff.
I would strenuously disagree, JHP for SD are much safer for you and not so good for the BG.

The last thing you want is a pass through and hit an unintended target.
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I would strenuously disagree, JHP for SD are much safer for you and not so good for the BG.

The last thing you want is a pass through and hit an unintended target.
I totally agree.

One must be aware of the liabilities involved in a SD situation, also the moral results. Do you really want to injure an innocent?

For those that are not familiar, take some ball ammo, no matter the caliber, and shoot it at blocks of wood to get an idea of over penetration. They will penetrate much more than you think. That is their design.

When purchasing JHP, you do not need to get the $1.50/rd stuff, pretty much any JHP is better than ball, and that is not really that expensive. Maybe a few bucks more than the regular practice stuff.

Had a shooting here in our small town, last year. Guy trying to rob a gas station, county shows up, rounds exchanged, the perp ended up deceased, but the officer was shot in the leg with ball 45acp. Round exited, and struck another, standing behind. Lots of people in the way, the officer fired twice, striking the perp in the chest. NO over penetration, didn't even break the glass behind him, 180gr JHP, federal.
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Well, this is kind of a loaded question depending on what you carry. for example, I use to carry my Bersa Thunder .380 Plus as my daily carry. I found that the hp's & Critical Defense loads didn't penetrate enough to be very effective before expanding and or coming apart. After doing some research I started carrying PMC bronze ball ammo rounds as was suggested by Tim, from the Military Arms channel. I've since let the Thunder go and now carry a Sig. 40 w/ 2 mag's of CCI HP's (25 rds).
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Well, this is kind of a loaded question depending on what you carry. for example, I use to carry my Bersa Thunder .380 Plus as my daily carry. I found that the hp's & Critical Defense loads didn't penetrate enough to be very effective before expanding and or coming apart. After doing some research I started carrying PMC bronze ball ammo rounds as was suggested by Tim, from the Military Arms channel. I've since let the Thunder go and now carry a Sig. 40 w/ 2 mag's of CCI HP's (25 rds).
the 380 is considered the min for SD, I probably would carry ball for that also, but 9, 40, 45 are the ones that do the over penetration
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I only carry 9mm and bigger and would never even consider using a fmj as a carry round. I think anyone carrying such ammo besides restriction by law to use jhp is being irresponsible and a possible danger to those that could end up being on the other side of that target. Honestly besides law suits how would you feel if you shot someone in self defense and an innocent child or adult was hit from over penetration. If it happened and you where using jhps I think you would feel less responsible knowing ammo was designed to stop. I say this because there are companies that make high quality ammo that is designed to penetrate intermediate barriers and still have the 12-18 inch performance of FBI standards. These same rounds open up fast and still obtain required penetration on soft targets as well. Also most quality jhp will still work through auto glass or sheet rock/plaster, even in car door metal skins more than you would expect. You can see evidence of this on youtube. Lastly the object is to stop the attack not kill the person, although the latter may be required to achieve the first . Jhps are designed to dump their kinetic energy into target as well as expand to create a larger wound channel which this expansion may be the difference of nicking an artery or organ compared to a fmj that doesn't expand and may not stop in target.
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Don't sweat it. Carry what you shoot. There's a lot of static out there. Ammo companies love selling you tiny, overpriced, boxes of high performance stuff.
If you are using FMJ's and shoot a BG and it penetrates through him and hits granny watering her flowers in her yard and kills her you will be doing more the sweating !!

The rest of your life might be looking out from a place I wouldn't want to be in !!!
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I think you miss understood. Ninja's will punch thru the barrier with the FMJ and send the following JHP thru the hole, into the bad guy.

You just lack the talent...

Lol !
In a SD situation where someone is shooting at you I doubt you will be able to hit the same hole with your second shot !!

I seriously doubt anyone is that good of a shot !! laying on a bench with all the time in the world yes you can easily hole your shots .. off handed and moving around with only seconds to shoot with someone shooting at you No WAY !!

If your saying you can I would like to see a tape of someone doing that !!
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I routinely carry FMJ in my EDC and I have complete confidence in it despite all the dire warnings and insinuations of irresponsibility. You carry what you want and I'll do the same. Talk about Mall Ninjas. Where do you get off telling me or anybody else what kind of ammo to carry? Ball ammo has worked just fine for about 100 years. I'm not saying it's the be all end all of ammo but it is a perfectly viable and reasonable choice.
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