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Old 12-18-2016, 11:31 AM   #1
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Question Federal HST Grain Weights

Been thinking about adding to My Federal HST Ammo Stock Pile
Not interested in any +P though.

Have three pistols in 9MM with barrels 3.0 3.27 and 4.1

Have three pistols in 40 S&W with barrels 3.1 4.4 and 4.49

Have three pistols in 45 cal with barrels 3.3 3.9 and 5.0

9MM comes in 124 and 147 grain already have some 147 gr
would 124 grain work better ? Why ?

40 S&W comes in 165 and 180 Somehow I got some in 155 gr
Which would work better ? Why?

Would like to get up to 1000 rounds in both 9MM and 40 S&W

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Old 12-18-2016, 10:11 PM   #2
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In the 9mm, I use and suggest the 147. They are proven performers even in short barrel pistols.

I carry the 40 HST regularly and prefer the 180g over the 165. IMO, the 180 performs as good or better than the 165 with less blast and flash and I prefer the recoil of the 180 over the 165.

In your 5" 45 Auto, I would go with the 230g HST but for the short barrels, use the +p for sure. I know you said you didn't want +p, but the 45 really loses a lot in the short barrels and can put the extra velocity to good use.

You really can't go wrong with the HST in any weight or pressure. Search youtube. tnoutdoors9 has reviewed them all and you can get a pretty good idea how they will perform from his gel tests.
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So even in the SA XDs with the 3.3 barrel and the P220 carry 3.9 barrel +P will be OK?

The 180 in the 40, I had thought the 165 would be better since it's more common
I have a P 226 and Glock 22 and Shield.

I use 124 FMJ for target and 147 for SD in My P938 and Storm C
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So even in the SA XDs with the 3.3 barrel and the P220 carry 3.9 barrel +P will be OK?
Springfield and SIG are both rated for SAAMI spec ammo, 45 ACP +P is a SAAMI rating. Good to go.
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So even in the SA XDs with the 3.3 barrel and the P220 carry 3.9 barrel +P will be OK?

The 180 in the 40, I had thought the 165 would be better since it's more common
I have a P 226 and Glock 22 and Shield.

I use 124 FMJ for target and 147 for SD in My P938 and Storm C
I've shot plenty of 230 HST +P in my 3.3" Mod.2 XD. It's fine.

A lot of the complaints about the 40 S&W are because of the 165g loads in polymer guns. People say there "snappy", I say so too. In my M&P40 they actually sting my hand and are very uncomfortable to shoot. In my p226, they are totally fine, no sting, no snappy. So it will vary with the gun but the 180 is good in all the 40 pistols I have shot. I have three and put a few hundred through a HK P30L one night at the range as well.
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In the 9mm, I use and suggest the 147. They are proven performers even in short barrel pistols.

I carry the 40 HST regularly and prefer the 180g over the 165. IMO, the 180 performs as good or better than the 165 with less blast and flash and I prefer the recoil of the 180 over the 165.

In your 5" 45 Auto, I would go with the 230g HST but for the short barrels, use the +p for sure. I know you said you didn't want +p, but the 45 really loses a lot in the short barrels and can put the extra velocity to good use.

You really can't go wrong with the HST in any weight or pressure. Search youtube. tnoutdoors9 has reviewed them all and you can get a pretty good idea how they will perform from his gel tests.
Extremely well documented series on all 9 mm ammo. True FBI ballistic gelatin. I think you'll find it very informative . And yes you cannot go wrong with any of the HST . https://www.full30.com/video/cc2a167...7951d8cbaf49e0
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147gr if you need better recoil control (I'm an ectomorph, so it's dividends to me)

otherwise 124gr is the happy 9mm medium on accuracy, fps, ballistic impact, etc.

+P(+) version is fine too, but use in short barrels ONLY 3" or less

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.40 is pretty much already +P 9mm ammo, so the higher the grain, the better since the barrels and guns are usually pressure tested for higher loads, so ham it up

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.357 SIG if you really want to create a wound channel
They pretty much a rifle-like effect fit inside a pistol cartridge with eye opening ballistic reports
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9MM comes in 124 and 147 grain already have some 147 gr would 124 grain work better ? Why ?
Typically the heavier bullets are better for the standard length barrel guns for the extra velocity, but the HSTs are pretty consistent across the board. I prefer standard pressure in particular with the HSTs b/c the tests that I've seen render no real advantage with the higher pressure rounds. Standard pressure rounds expand as well, and even better under some circumstances, so why put the added wear on your gun.
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I have always gone with 124 grain in 9mm and 180 grain in .40 S&W.

I may give the 147 grain 9mm HST a whirl just for kicks.
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Saw a 150gr 9mm HST on Midway.
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I have always gone with 124 grain in 9mm and 180 grain in .40 S&W.

I may give the 147 grain 9mm HST a whirl just for kicks.
There is a noticeable difference in sound and recoil. The 147 grain seems to shoot a bit softer to me, and isn't quite as loud. The 124 grain is quite a pop.
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There is a noticeable difference in sound and recoil. The 147 grain seems to shoot a bit softer to me, and isn't quite as loud. The 124 grain is quite a pop.
Good to know.

I have shot a good deal of various 124 grain 9 X 19mm FMJ, 124 grain Federal HST JHP, as well as 135 grain Hornady Critical Duty. I really don't notice recoil or blast much, but then I regularly shoot .40 S&W, .45 ACP, 357 Magnum, and occasionally 357 SIG.

I sort of like to practice with FMJ ammunition that has the same projectile mass as what I use for self defense. Where I live, 147 grain FMJ 9mm ammo is not to be found. I buy a good bit of the NATO spec 124 grain FMJ since it is loaded a bit hotter than most 124 grain FMJ and seems to replicate the recoil characteristics of my self defense ammunition a bit better.
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Good to know.

I have shot a good deal of various 124 grain 9 X 19mm FMJ, 124 grain Federal HST JHP, as well as 135 grain Hornady Critical Duty. I really don't notice recoil or blast much, but then I regularly shoot .40 S&W, .45 ACP, 357 Magnum, and occasionally 357 SIG.

I sort of like to practice with FMJ ammunition that has the same projectile mass as what I use for self defense. Where I live, 147 grain FMJ 9mm ammo is not to be found. I buy a good bit of the NATO spec 124 grain FMJ since it is loaded a bit hotter than most 124 grain FMJ and seems to replicate the recoil characteristics of my self defense ammunition a bit better.
I normally run 124, but came across a couple boxes of the 147 at the LGS. The first time I shot with the 147 I literally thought something was wrong. The recoil was almost non-existant, and it seemed muffled...then it hit me, it's a subsonic round, so it's going to be a little softer shooting.
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