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Old 01-07-2017, 08:15 AM   #1
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Reloading 45ACP brass that has small primer pocket

I have been shooting and reloading for 40+ years. I just bought a P220 (my first 45ACP) and will be picking it up at a local FFL this afternoon.
In preparation for it's arrival I had purchased a set of dies, etc. to load up some rounds. When I pulled the bag of 45 brass that I had been collecting forever, and started processing it, I noticed that some were large primer pockets and some were small primer pockets. My reloading manuals only list the Large Pistol Primers. I know that there is a pressure difference created between large and small primer ignition, so, my question is;
Should I use "Small Pistol" or "Small Pistol Magnum" primers to get the closest result compared to "Large Pistol Primers"?

Also, I have a stock of Bullseye, Power Pistol, and W231 already. I will primarilly be killing dirt while trying to take out an evil 8"diameter steel disc that lurks in front of my shooting hill (out to 50yds), so I am not looking for a powerhouse load, but rather a nice consistant load with 200gr. copper plated bullets. Does anyone have a pet load that reliably cycles the firearm that I can start with, rather than me just starting from scratch.

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Old 01-07-2017, 08:23 AM   #2
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I just loaded and tested some 45 loads yesterday. 200 gr Xtreme RN bullets, 5.0 gr Bullseye, 1.182" OAL and SPP's. Ran great, I did chrono them but don't have data handy. I'll post velocities shortly, but accuracy was good.

Who ever had the brain fart of using SPP's in 45 ACP should suffer somehow.

ETA: Average velocity I measured at 875 fps. I think this will become my 45 load going forward.
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From what I've read, the SPP were used in .45 ACP because they were building a non tox load and the only non tox primer made was SPP.

I keep 'em separate (Mrs. Flash does that) because they can hang up my progressive press pretty bad if I get a SPP case when loading with LPP.

The pressure difference is insignificant, so load either with no worries. I do it every once in a while just for the heck of it and see absolutely no difference in accuracy or function.

I use 5 Grains of Bullseye for either primer under a 230 Grain Plated bullet and that load will be plenty safe with a 200 Grain bullet.
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I feel better after Flash LB posted his experience. I have always separated the two simply due to the primer size. I had never concerned myself about the performance difference or noted any.

I was beginning to feel remiss.
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Just remembered something else.

One of the guys I shoot handguns with every week occasionally goes to the Scottsdale Gun Club to shoot with some people he knows.

He said they won't let him pick up any brass that hits the floor there, so he loads up SPP .45 acp strictly for that place.

He's the same guy who didn't know how to get started in reloading, so he'd heard about Dillon and went into their store in Scottsdale. The guy there told him that anything but Dillon was junk and wouldn't last more than a couple of years so he needed to buy Dillon.

He did and a little later found that the guy lied to him, so to get even he keeps his Dillon in the garage. He never cleans it, he never covers it, he never lubes it. Every 2 years or so it locks up and he takes it back to Dillon and tells them to rebuild it under their "No BS" warranty.

He figures in a few more years, he'll be even with them. Other than that one press and one caliber set of dies for it, all his other loading (around 15 other calibers) happens on Lee equipment.
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Thanks guys,
Exactly the information I was looking for, perfect!

I have gotten quite fond of Extreme plated bullets, consistant and economical. I am thinking of using the SSPs for general target out back and load up the LPPs with "Working" Bullets. Seems like a good way to be able to use both, but keep them separated.
I will still have to go through every one after tumbling & de-priming, when I inpect for cracks & touch them with the primer pocket brush.
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Saying Lee is better than Dillon is like saying a Hyundai is a better driving car than a BMW.

We are entitled to our opinions and I have used most every press made but for progressive presses Dillon is flat out superior in every way

Of course that is my opinion.

Lee has a standard no BS warranty as in no warranty after 2 years and they give no quarter, ask me how I know.
I have only called Dillon, Lee and RCBS for repair parts and only Lee demanded payment for parts.

Whatever floats your boat, makes you happy.

Dillon is always a phone call away with fast service. Plus when you need expert coaching on a rebuild they are on the phone doing a step by step all at NC
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Actually Lee has a lifetime warranty for parts and workmanship, but it doesn't cover neglect and wear and tear. He mentions it in both of his books. This is a non issue generally speaking if you maintain your equipment. As an example, I give myself. I've had a Lee turret used weekly until recently and it's 35 years old. I've got 2 LoadMasters, one around 18 years old and one around 5 or 6 years old. I've never had a single part go bad on any of the 3 and again, they all get used weekly except I've now semi retired the turret as the LoadMaster is faster.

I won't say Lee is better than Dillon, but as a guy who has both on his reloading bench for around 18 years, I will say that they're about equal. The difference is that Dillon charges twice as much for pretty much the same thing, and that's understandable as he's financing his warranty. Lee chose to go another way and I think he's right.

YMMV
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Saying Lee is better than Dillon is like saying a Hyundai is a better driving car than a BMW.

We are entitled to our opinions and I have used most every press made but for progressive presses Dillon is flat out superior in every way

Of course that is my opinion.

Dillon is always a phone call away with fast service. Plus when you need expert coaching on a rebuild they are on the phone doing a step by step all at NC
It's certainly personal opinion. I had a Lee progressive and sold it. Nothing really "wrong" with it. Just had a chance to run some loads on a Dillon XL650 that was a loaded press [case feeder, bullet feeder & roller handle] and decided I liked that better. Use a Rock Chucker for rifle.

Since I drive a BMW, I guess I have to load on a BMW...
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I can recommend a "plinking" load that shoots to POA out to about 25 yrds. 4.5g of Bullseye under a 230g plated bullet -- around 660 FPS out of my Sig FS 1911. I've found that Xtreme, Everglade and Berry's plated bullets all shoot with nearly the same accuracy using the above load.
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I do not abuse my reloading equipment and when I called Lee they told me they would not replace the decapper or the broken handle on their hand primer because it was 3 years old and they warrantied it for 2 years. I knew it had a 2 year warranty but felt it should be replaced and was honest as to when I purchased it. (RCBS service my hand primers 10+ years old no questions)
I called RCBS once for a broken decapper and asked to pay for it because it was IMO my fault but they insisted no charge

I have no loyalty to brands. What serves me better is what I use. I have a Dillon 550 for 223 carbine ammo and a SQDB for handgun. I load my sniper AR 223, Bolt gun 308, 8MM etc on a Rock Chucker and I size all rifle on a Forster Bonanza (Including the 223 which I also hand prime so the 550 is for powder and seating only)
I prefer to soak my lubed cases in lacquer thinner before priming/loading

We all navigate reloading to suit our own theories as to what works best and we get to decide what that is irregardless of what other think or do.

Lee's warranty is by my experience a BS warranty: period!

I bought a Dillon SQDB that was well used and Dillon replaced almost everything except the main chassis and tower even sending me an entire priming system all with on the phone help in rebuilding this.

My opinions are based on how I was treated and served.

Plus for pistol loading the SQDB is so compact and easy to use it is just in a class by itself but again, IMO

If I see a good deal on a used set of Lee dies I but it but I won't buy anything new from Lee. they do not stand behind their stuff and that is real experience

Please understand, I am not saying those you have a different preference are wrong, I believe whatever you like is the right way
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Small primers the two brands I notice is a lot of Blazer, and about half or less of white box Federal.
I won't buy blazer 45 because of it, and my favorite range sells white Federals, so I open and look.

I tried keeping them separate, and shooting them separate, and then decided to just store them away in case someone ever wants them.

I started on a Lee turret, and then got a slightly used Dillon 550B.
Dillon is the best, of any type of company, I have ever dealt with on backing their equipment, and customer service.

I think the Lee turret is a good product, but the progressive is clunky at best.
No comparison to Dillon.

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Just remembered something else.

One of the guys I shoot handguns with every week occasionally goes to the Scottsdale Gun Club to shoot with some people he knows.

He said they won't let him pick up any brass that hits the floor there, so he loads up SPP .45 acp strictly for that place.

He's the same guy who didn't know how to get started in reloading, so he'd heard about Dillon and went into their store in Scottsdale. The guy there told him that anything but Dillon was junk and wouldn't last more than a couple of years so he needed to buy Dillon.

He did and a little later found that the guy lied to him, so to get even he keeps his Dillon in the garage. He never cleans it, he never covers it, he never lubes it. Every 2 years or so it locks up and he takes it back to Dillon and tells them to rebuild it under their "No BS" warranty.

He figures in a few more years, he'll be even with them. Other than that one press and one caliber set of dies for it, all his other loading (around 15 other calibers) happens on Lee equipment.
The brass part is funny.
On the Dillon, he needs to grow up, and get over it.
Just one man's opinion, not even close to a lie.


I will say Dillon is built like a tank, compared to others.
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Two comment:
1. I load 45 ACP and have been doing it for over 45 years. I do sort my used brass and scrap any that have small primer pockets. There's enough brass around with the LPP, that it's useless to try to load both.
2. I'm a Dillon user and own 3 Dillon presses. Compared to Dillon, Hornady or RCBS, pot metal made Lee presses are junk period! Yes, I have used Lee presses and they are strictly beginner junk.
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I hope we are not seeing a complete SPP of 45ACP in the future but more ammo makers have gone to it.

I too separate them, you have to.

At first I got rid of the SPP cases but because Ioad both 9MM and 45ACP on my D-SQDB I realized after I am done with my usual 5K rounds of 9MM I can switch the tool head and base plate but leave the SPP set up and run off the case in 45 that use it.
Once done with all the SPP cases I then switch the primer set up to LP and do them so it is not a big deal.

CCI/Blazer/Speer, Federal, Winchester and Fiocchi are the ones I currently have but I believe S&B have also started using them.
Anyone think of any other brands?
The ones I see most often are the Blazer then Federal then Speer in that order
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