Almost 20 years back, a Green Beret buddy of mine told me about Glaser Safety Slugs. He said it was a unique round because they won't penetrate drywall, yet have devastating effects on body tissue. Just something I wanted to through out there for discussion after a few of us were talking about JHP's and collateral damage and stopping power. This old friend of mine has been the only one I've known who has used the round. I am wondering if any of our SIG Talk members have any knowledge on the subject.
from Wiki...
The United States Federal Air Marshal Service tested and used the Glaser Safety Slug extensively in the 1970s and 80s on board commercial passenger aircraft to defend against hijackers.[sup][/sup] Published reports indicate that Air Marshals are now issued SIG-Sauer P229 pistols with a 12 round capacity firing conventional jacketed hollow point ammunition in .357 SIG caliber.[sup][/sup]
I will include Glaser's home page and a little Wiki info as well...
I was always told that Glaser Safety Slugs are the perfect home defense round. Even if you miss it won't through walls hitting an unintended target. They're supposed to disintegrates into dry wall.
Their website shows 2 types, #12 shot for warm climates and light clothing and #6 shot for colder climates and heavier clothing. With the #6 it says you get an additional 2 inches of soft tissue penetration. If it's only 2 more inches then I think that would be sufficient for any climate and not have to worry much about collateral damage. I sure can't afford to do much practice with these!
yeah, I'm with you, hmmmmmm... However, for an accurate test, I'd place the drywall at least 4" apart with another 4x8' sheet about 10' further. I would be VERY curious to see how those pellets would spread out in a more realistic test environment.
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Originally Posted by sigp229r
I was always told that Glaser Safety Slugs are the perfect home defense round. Even if you miss it won't through walls hitting an unintended target. They're supposed to disintegrates into dry wall.
yeah, interesting article, but his summation left me scratching my head. It sounded like he was bashing and praising them in two back to back sentences. I then followed his link to another test that left me just as confused. http://www.theboxotr...ocs/bot23_4.htm
So for my summation, I'm going to have to get a pig in a room and go at it or see if Mythbusters can tackle this one for me, LOL
yeah, interesting article, but his summation left me scratching my head. It sounded like he was bashing and praising them in two back to back sentences. I then followed his link to another test that left me just as confused. http://www.theboxotr...ocs/bot23_4.htm
So for my summation, I'm going to have to get a pig in a room and go at it or see if Mythbusters can tackle this one for me, LOL
In the mid 70s at the Patrol Academy I witnessed a " Demo " . The Rep. placed 2 46oz sealed tomato juice cans on a table downrange about 25 feet. He shot the 1st one with a 240 gr JHP 44Mag out of a Ruger Super Blackhawk. It obliterated the can, peeled it flat, and on examination leaving a nickel size exit hole on the back side of the can. He then loaded up a 2" S&W Chiefs Special . 38 with a Glaser Safety Slug and shot the second can. The visual was identical to the .44 mag ( impressive! ) , the can was almost identically damaged, and the difference was no hole on the back side of the 2nd can. I bought 6 rds. on the spot! These are some seriously nasty ammo. The early stuff lacked the blue tip, they looked like they crimped the jackets on a pencil erasers.
In the mid 70s at the Patrol Academy I witnessed a " Demo " . The Rep. placed 2 46oz sealed tomato juice cans on a table downrange about 25 feet. He shot the 1st one with a 240 gr JHP 44Mag out of a Ruger Super Blackhawk. It obliterated the can, peeled it flat, and on examination leaving a nickel size exit hole on the back side of the can. He then loaded up a 2" S&W Chiefs Special . 38 with a Glaser Safety Slug and shot the second can. The visual was identical to the .44 mag ( impressive! ) , the can was almost identically damaged, and the difference was no hole on the back side of the 2nd can. I bought 6 rds. on the spot! These are some seriously nasty ammo. The early stuff lacked the blue tip, they looked like they crimped the jackets on a pencil erasers.
Now that's the kind of testimony I like to hear. Thanks Jim Bob. One of these days, I would still like to do my own drywall test as well. As I said earlier, I will try to set up a more realistic test. Hell, perhaps I can get it done in an actual indoor setup... hmmmm
I am a little confused, so I have a question that maybe will help resolve my confusion.
For instance, in the video with the Cor Bon peeps, they talk about the DPX round being designed for Deep Penetration. The round went thru more that 12 inches of ballistic gel. How do you compare the penetration in ballistic gel to that of the human body ?
I know that on the average sized person, 12 inches ( or more ) of penetration may cause the bullet to exit the body and hit something behind it ..... not good.
How do you equate penetration in ballistic gel to the human body ?
I am a little confused, so I have a question that maybe will help resolve my confusion.
For instance, in the video with the Cor Bon peeps, they talk about the DPX round being designed for Deep Penetration. The round went thru more that 12 inches of ballistic gel. How do you compare the penetration in ballistic gel to that of the human body ?
I know that on the average sized person, 12 inches ( or more ) of penetration may cause the bullet to exit the body and hit something behind it ..... not good.
How do you equate penetration in ballistic gel to the human body ?
The debate has been around for years; I recommend a survey of local LE to see what they are using for EDC ammo and go with the most popular choice. If you ever have to use
it in a defensive situation, you have some History on your side. Be Safe, JB
It's easy to see that I'm a newbie to these forums. I do not understand some of the lingo ...
What is EDC ammo ?
JB, I must backup on something we discussed previously. My local Sheriff does carry Speer = but when I asked if they were the Gold Dots, the Deputy hesitated, and then said yes. That got me thinging and I was wondering if LE would use something like Gold Dots or would more likely have their own HPs made specifically for LE?
It's easy to see that I'm a newbie to these forums. I do not understand some of the lingo ...
What is EDC ammo ?
JB, I must backup on something we discussed previously. My local Sheriff does carry Speer = but when I asked if they were the Gold Dots, the Deputy hesitated, and then said yes. That got me thinging and I was wondering if LE would use something like Gold Dots or would more likely have their own HPs made specifically for LE?
EDC ( every day carry ) Acronyms Thread VOLZFAN this one needs to be added please.
Speer does make an Gold Dot LE variant & a Short Barrel load as well : Speer LE Ammo
There are LEs out there that know very little about the Weapons & Ammo they are issued too.
EDC ( every day carry ) Acronyms Thread VOLZFAN this one needs to be added please.
Speer does make an Gold Dot LE variant & a Short Barrel load as well : Speer LE Ammo
There are LEs out there that know very little about the Weapons & Ammo they are issued too.
JB - sometimes, I amaze myself. As I'm driving this morning, to pickup my new Glock 22 Gen 4 ( not a traitor to sig, I like'm both ), it just popped into my head = EDC = every day carry
Thank you for the explanantion too ... and the link to speer. I did buy some Gold Dot/LE for my 9mm's and .40 Cal = I couldn't pass them up - $38 for a box of 50 - That felt like a good deal, so I jumped on it - two boxes of each ........ yahoo
Thanks for the Speer LE ammo link. I was able to find the ammo I purchased yesterday, by Part Number, and then found the corresponding ballistic information. The foot lbs of energy are impressive:
> The 9mm +P 124 Gr., Part # 53617, delivers 410 fpe at the muzzle
> The .40 Cal S&W 165 Gr., Part # 53970, delivers 484 fpe at the muzzle
From what I can research, the Part # beginning with a " 5 " designates the ammo specific to LE. I couldn't find any pricing specific to these part numbers.
If it ever stops snowing, I'll try these rounds in the Sig and Glocks over the weekend.
OK now, time to fire-up the snow blower, and get to work !
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