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Old 11-10-2016, 04:10 PM   #1
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M11A1 vs P239

This is my first post on here so I apologize if I should be more detailed.
M11A1 vs P239 for my first firearm purchase.

M11A1 seems great, however I have small hands and am only 5'5". I'm mostly worried about not being able to conceal it well.
P239 looks like a better option, but less ammo capacity.
If I'm going to drop $1000 for my first gun at the end of the month, I want it to be the right one.

In closing, are there any smaller framed citizens out there that can conceal a P229/M11A1?
Thank you!
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The 239 SAS Gen 2 in 9mm is my edc. It was designed for that application. IMHO, it's perfect!!
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Jeffrey,

First firearm? Neither -- don't buy any weapon yet. Go to a gun store with a range (a lot of them have them) or go to a range where you can meet some folks and try out some things. You need to get some experience in shooting ANYTHING before you buy a firearm, and only by shooting will you have an understanding of what is involved.

Hopefully you will get to shoot one or both of these fine weapons, but almost anything will do just to get you started. The important thing is not just the size -- there are different order of arms for each one, which means they operate differently. You may well find you prefer one operation over the other, but they are two very different ways to go.

And while I don't want to further confuse you, I would not limit your choice to just these two. Again, you are looking for something that suits you in terms of operation as well as fit. Imagine if you were buying a vehicle and said "Should I buy a truck or a sports car?" It really is about how you are going to deal with all the various aspects that determines what is best for you (and we can't make that decision for you).

The more you shoot, the more knowledgable you'll be about what you like. You may even want to consider more than just Sigs (all I own are Sigs, so this is a bit like me being unfaithful, but what's right for me isn't necessary right for you). Even if you stay with Sigs, there are things like getting a striker fired firearm versus the operation of these two, and getting polymer (Sig makes both and even both together).

Finally, I own both of these -- the M11A1 is my daily carry and the 938 is my BUG (back up gun). I am a smallish guy myself (very, very old) with medium hands but the 938 does not suit me at all and after I bought it I ended up buying the M11A1, which I love. But I'd also throw the P225A1 in there for consideration as well. In terms of concealment you can conceal just about any firearm nowadays, and fairly easily, so I wouldn't let that be the biggest consideration for you. The important thing is what YOU can shoot well and feel comfortable with.

Keep us posted on your progress and we can help further. And good luck!
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I have both and carried both. Of course P239 concealed easier as you think.
If you will get just one to concealed carry, I say go with P239.
Better yet get one now and get another later!
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I have both. Judge them first on the one that you have confidence in and can fire most accurately with. Beyond that the only real difference is firepower and weight.
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Trying them out first is a good suggestion but let me add that a good belt and holster goes a long way toward concealability .
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Kellytoons covered it very well.
For a First gun, I always suggest that the person try to handle many and talk to people. Go to a range and rent a selection. Find what fits you with the Closed Eye test, and then move from there.
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First off, Thank you everyone for the replies!
The reasons I'm considering a Sig is simple.
I hate the polymer guns, hammer fiered, and most importantly reliability/quality.
I figured either would be great.
Although, i don't have a lot of range time (I've rented a few times) I do know about my other options. Just looking for a great all around gun CCW, range, and ****.
Thanks again.
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I don't think an m11a1 would be that easy to conceal on a smaller frame. I know that there are people that carry 10mm P220s with 5" barrels IWB, but I couldn't. Not with any comfort at all. Assuming you're wanting to carry IWB, I'd go with the P239 or even the P238/938 if you're OK with the single action.
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You should take Kellytoons advice and find a range that rents firearms and shoot a variety of different pistols. Don't rule anything out until you've tried it. Also, its a good idea to take a class. Learning defensive shooting might help decide what type of pistol will work best for you.

You mention 'hammer fired' but there are different kinds of hammer fired guns. SA or single action, DA or double action, or DA/SA, double action/single action. Sig makes pistols in all three 'hammer fired' flavors. The M11A1 (or P229) and P239 are both DA/SA, although the p239 can be had in DAK which is DA.

While many of us prefer DA/SA guns (myself included) they take practice to master. The first trigger pull is very different from subsequent trigger pulls. SA guns are generally carried 'cocked and locked', and DA guns tend to have a long (and sometimes heavy) trigger pull. Each type has advantages and disadvantages, and for this reason many people are drawn to striker fired guns.
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I don't think an m11a1 would be that easy to conceal on a smaller frame. I know that there are people that carry 10mm P220s with 5" barrels IWB, but I couldn't. Not with any comfort at all. Assuming you're wanting to carry IWB, I'd go with the P239 or even the P238/938 if you're OK with the single action.
Almost every firearm (pistol) is concealable if you're dedicated. There's a lot that goes along with concealing a larger framed firearm and it may not be worth it to you. That being said, a M11-A1 is not what most would consider difficult to conceal. Try talking and finding people on here that live close and own those guns. Most of us are pretty cool and if it's not a burden would have no problem letting you try them. I do it quite often with people in other localized forums. The pro gun crowd will usually go out of their way to help someone join the "dark side" *Vader breathing*

If you lived closer to me and I wasn't about to sell my M11, I'd help a brother/sister out. Don't wanna ASSUME your gender, lol.
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First off, Thank you everyone for the replies!
The reasons I'm considering a Sig is simple.
I hate the polymer guns, hammer fiered, and most importantly reliability/quality.
I figured either would be great.
Although, i don't have a lot of range time (I've rented a few times) I do know about my other options. Just looking for a great all around gun CCW, range, and ****.
Thanks again.
I have carried both professionally and personally the following:
Colt .45 Combat Commander
S&W Model 19, 2 1/2
Ruger Security 6 2 3/4
S&W Model 13 3 inch
S&W Model 19 4 Inch.
S&W Model 57 4 Inch (I was in a VERY Bad Mood in those days)
Colt Python 2 inch (I wish I still had that gun)
Colt Diamonback 2 Inch (I wish I had that one too.)
Glock Model 17 (Could not get rid of it fast enough)
Glock Model 22 (Now that I kept around for a few years)


SIG 229 in .40 and in .357 SIG. (I currently carry that in Winter for the last 12 years)

SIG 239 in .40 and .357 SIG (I currently carry that in Summer, and might just keep it all year round. )

I have also had (but not carried, due to regulations)
CZ 75 B (the Best 9 MM I ever had)
SIG 220 (Didn't like it, sold it, went back to the Combat Commander for 6 weeks)
Browning High Power (Belgian). Great Gun. Just didn't like the Caliber
TZ 75 (Italian copy of the CZ)
Wilson Combat .45 (The most accurate pistol I ever had.)

S&W Model 29 with 6 1/2 inch barrel.

The winner for me is the 239 for every day year round carry. I have confidence in it and it shoots out to 25 yards where I need. I will be adding new baseplates to get the round count to 8 per Magazine, and that gives me 2 to carry and one in the gun. If I need more then 25 rounds, I need a rifle.
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jeffreymac26 Can you conceal ether might depend more on how what clothes you wear . At 5'5" maybe a ultra lw would be better than a p239 or an extended mag version of the p938 . Not to say there are not time the m11 may not work well but at this point its purely a guess as to what will work for you as a EDC . I have a 5'-5" daughter and a 5-10" son-in-law that would have a hell of a time concealing a m11 as there skinny and tend to wear no cover most of the time , more often just a t shirt . Both carry .90 wide single stacks .
I carry a p320 compact 40 with a cover or a 1911 ultra 9mm under a t shirt . Others in the past but they don't matter today !!
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I carry my M11A1 in a OWB pancake leather holster. 1 1/2" Beltman belt at 2:45, above my right front pocket. Same holster fits my Glock 23. The G23 carries a little easier but not by much. A good belt and holster are the key.
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M11A1 vs P239 for my first firearm purchase.
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If I'm going to drop $1000 for my first gun at the end of the month, I want it to be the right one.
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I'm partial to the P239, maybe because I found a real nice little-used one in a pawn shop for $400...

If you want to spend less, you can probably find a decent used P239/9mm in the $600 to $650 range -- that's what they're going for around here (Maine).

Then you can take the savings, save up some more, and buy a NEW M11A1 later!!

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