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Old 06-25-2012, 02:45 PM   #21
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Utah's open carry so nobody here would care. And people wonder why chicago had more deaths than Iraq this last year...
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:26 PM   #22
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Nc ccw

In NC you must keep it "hidden"; but a few counties allow open carry, not sure what means when you have a CCW, just depends on if you in a "really" conservative area.

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Ken W, I think CA is a very unique exception.
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Old 09-06-2012, 08:05 AM   #24
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I think the OP meant that in the states where there is concealed carry (some are open carry and Illinois remains the only which does not allow any carry except for those currently authorized...

We'll get it in Illinois...the Law Enforcement community has little opposition (there will be a learning curve) to it and those that are still against it (inside but mostly outside that community) don't have a valid argument against it...just fear...

...soon in Illinois...soon...

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Old 09-06-2012, 10:24 AM   #25
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At the moment, you're looking at the possibly of a felony pinch and prosecution for UUW, unlawful use of weapon. I know your post didn't mention use, but that's how it's charged.

If the arrest is made, how it gets handled by the state's attorney's office may vary by location.
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:42 PM   #26
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I don't know the lawa in IL...but let me get this straight...the person doesn't have a CCW permit in a city/state/county that doesn't allow any CCW except for Law Enforcement...and this person is carrying concealed.

Well right off that's a crime. Probably more of a penalty that open carry and or brandishing.

I'm no lawyer and as I said I don't know the laws in IL...but I was a Deputy here is Cali for 25 years and I think you may be on the wrong side of that law...regardless of how I or anyone feels about it.

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***Taken from VA Gun law
In Virginia and most states "Brandishing" is defined as: It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured.

I don't believe that accidental exposure can be subject to a penalty.

But if you're caught concealing a gun were should not be, the law enforcement agencies and system of justice will throw the book on you with all their might.

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point, hold or brandish, "in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another".

in az that can be done to defuse a dangerous situation by exposing the firearm and/or announcing, "i have a firearm" or placing a hand on the grip of the firearm, all spelled
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SEE ITEM #3 of 114 / SB 1243 / 13-421 / Defensive display of firearms protection “Defensive display of a firearm” means:
1 – Verbally telling someone that you have a firearm or can get one;
2 – Exposing or displaying a gun in a way that a reasonable person would understand means you can protect yourself against illegal physical or deadly physical force;
3 – Placing your hand on a firearm while it is in your pocket, purse or other means of containment or transport.
Defensive display is justified when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe physical force is immediately necessary to protect yourself against another person’s use or attempted use of unlawful physical or deadly physical force. A defensive display is not required before using or threatening physical force, in a situation where you would be justified in using or threatening physical force.
Defensive display is not justified if you intentionally provoke the other person, or if you use a firearm in the commission of a serious offense or violent crime (defined in 13-706 and 13-901.3).
This important new law clarifies that a proper defensive reach for or announcement of firearm possession is an acceptable element in the continuum of self defense, and should not be charged as a crime. Improper display of a firearm can be anything from a class 1 misdemeanor (e.g., disorderly conduct) to a class 3 felony (e.g., aggravated assault). It also helps balance out the problematic and arbitrary “threatening exhibition” of a gun allegation that prosecutors can make in charging a felony as a “dangerous offense” (13-702 and 704). The threat of this extra charge can be used to coerce a plea agreement, and now this is balanced with a specified stipulation of proper display of a gun without firing at a potential assailant.
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In Illinois, you're looking at a felony booking if the officer chooses to make the arrest. That's just how it is for now.

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I apologize for my ignorance and being new to guns but, I've seen reference to printing several times. Can someone tell me what that is? Thanks!
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I apologize for my ignorance and being new to guns but, I've seen reference to printing several times. Can someone tell me what that is? Thanks!
Printing is when you can see the shape of your gun through your clothes. What I was told is that if an "every day joe" can tell that it is a gun then you are printing.
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I apologize for my ignorance and being new to guns but, I've seen reference to printing several times. Can someone tell me what that is? Thanks!
in some locales, concealed means concealed & if it can be seen or the shirt lifts up & exposes the firearm, you're in violation, just depends where you live.

in az both open & ccw are allowed & in july a year ago, anyone can ccw.

oh i know, not supposed to carry if you're a felon but they were carrying anyway.
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Printing is when you can see the shape of your gun through your clothes. What I was told is that if an "every day joe" can tell that it is a gun then you are printing.
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in some locales, concealed means concealed & if it can be seen or the shirt lifts up & exposes the firearm, you're in violation, just depends where you live.

in az both open & ccw are allowed & in july a year ago, anyone can ccw.

oh i know, not supposed to carry if you're a felon but they were carrying anyway.
Here in IN. open and concealed are allowed.
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:30 PM   #33
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RE: Question for concealed carry folks

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In NC you must keep it "hidden"; but a few counties allow open carry, not sure what means when you have a CCW, just depends on if you in a "really" conservative area.

Jim
In NC we are allowed to open carry, we can't conceal without permit. Would I recommend walking around the street open carry, probably not but technically you are allowed to, thank you 2nd amendment.

As far as an accidental exposure of your concealed gun, it would be considered brandishing. If you were doing it to intimidate it would be brandishing with intent.

Having a concealed carry permit, you are held to a higher standard. There would be the expectation you will ensure at no time the weapon becomes exposed and you are aware of all the locations in which having the weapon is restricted.

With that said, in the event yours does become exposed it will, in most cases, be up to the officer to determine the severity of the situation. I am sure if you are honest, relaxed, and not a general DB you will probably be simply reminded of your duty as a permit holder. If you take the road of being a jerk or rude you will probably be charged.

Would be best to take the time to get completely familiar with your carry selection, including the gun, holster, and any accessories you plan to have with you. Take the time to know what it takes to expose and be aware of your surroundings. If you know reaching that top shelf will leave you in a precarious situation either ask for someone to get the product for you, nothing bad about asking for help, or be aware of those around you. Be swift and don't draw any attention... Most people will not even notice or as previous posters have stated most will assume you are LEO.
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:59 PM   #34
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Same Here!?

Believe it is this way in Oregon. But you will probably get pretty good at not revealing your "hidden friend." Good Luck.
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Here in Texas printing is NOT illegal as long as you have made a "reasonable" effort to conceal it. The officer I talked to said as long as it is in the holster and you are not using it to threaten or intimidate someone they would just tell you to try to be more careful.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:50 PM   #35
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Born and raised in Crook County Illinois. Proud resident of Northwest Indiana now.

Indiana issues a "License to Carry a Weapon" permit. You can open carry in Indiana, but most conceal carry. There are a number of instances where people open carrying are "asked nicely" by the police to conceal their handguns because it is "disturbing the peace."

Oh well, we still get to carry. Here's to hoping that IL can get their heads out of their arses and let the fine residents of IL carry lawfully.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:57 AM   #36
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Haha, in Idaho people ask what you're carrying (if they're gun people), or they ask if you're off duty today.
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:33 AM   #37
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In TN we have a carry permit not a concealed carry permit. Plus we are allowed to open carry. So nothing happens when a gun becomes visible.
That would be nice if they would do that in all the States
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:03 AM   #38
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Responding from Florida I think I'm going to piggyback of another responder.Here in Florida we are the Gunshine State and yes like my fellow Florida sibling said peeking was a problem at one point that could get you a slap on the rist but not anymore plus we can open carry if from and too the gun range camping, fishing etc.
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Old 12-02-2012, 01:07 PM   #39
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Never gave it a thought here in Washington state, but I'd better check it out, I wear my 226 40 everywhere I go and am usually not aware if I'm printing or not....could get me in trouble! LEO here on the eastern side are pretty cool unlike the stiff, gung-ho smokeys on the western side, so they usually look the other way on such stuff.
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concealed carry mishap

if you are not allowed to conceal carry and your weapon unconceals the least that can happen is arrest, the worst is some nervous inexperienced law enforcement officer will shoot you, if you are not allowed to concealled carry,your best bet is to have it on the dash where they can see it and unloaded depending on your state laws
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