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Old 06-19-2012, 06:47 PM   #16
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In Minnesota our's is called a State of Minnesota Permit to Carry a Pistol and we can carry open or concealed anywhere that carry is legal.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:13 PM   #17
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interesting how the different states deal with it.
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Old 06-19-2012, 08:17 PM   #18
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I don't know the lawa in IL...but let me get this straight...the person doesn't have a CCW permit in a city/state/county that doesn't allow any CCW except for Law Enforcement...and this person is carrying concealed.

Well right off that's a crime. Probably more of a penalty that open carry and or brandishing.

I'm no lawyer and as I said I don't know the laws in IL...but I was a Deputy here is Cali for 25 years and I think you may be on the wrong side of that law...regardless of how I or anyone feels about it.

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In New germany people think you're a cop and don't dare say a word!
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Old 06-25-2012, 02:45 PM   #21
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Utah's open carry so nobody here would care. And people wonder why chicago had more deaths than Iraq this last year...
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Old 06-25-2012, 03:26 PM   #22
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Nc ccw

In NC you must keep it "hidden"; but a few counties allow open carry, not sure what means when you have a CCW, just depends on if you in a "really" conservative area.

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Ken W, I think CA is a very unique exception.
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I think the OP meant that in the states where there is concealed carry (some are open carry and Illinois remains the only which does not allow any carry except for those currently authorized...

We'll get it in Illinois...the Law Enforcement community has little opposition (there will be a learning curve) to it and those that are still against it (inside but mostly outside that community) don't have a valid argument against it...just fear...

...soon in Illinois...soon...

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At the moment, you're looking at the possibly of a felony pinch and prosecution for UUW, unlawful use of weapon. I know your post didn't mention use, but that's how it's charged.

If the arrest is made, how it gets handled by the state's attorney's office may vary by location.
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I don't know the lawa in IL...but let me get this straight...the person doesn't have a CCW permit in a city/state/county that doesn't allow any CCW except for Law Enforcement...and this person is carrying concealed.

Well right off that's a crime. Probably more of a penalty that open carry and or brandishing.

I'm no lawyer and as I said I don't know the laws in IL...but I was a Deputy here is Cali for 25 years and I think you may be on the wrong side of that law...regardless of how I or anyone feels about it.

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In Virginia and most states "Brandishing" is defined as: It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured.

I don't believe that accidental exposure can be subject to a penalty.

But if you're caught concealing a gun were should not be, the law enforcement agencies and system of justice will throw the book on you with all their might.

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Old 09-06-2012, 06:12 PM   #27
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point, hold or brandish, "in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another".

in az that can be done to defuse a dangerous situation by exposing the firearm and/or announcing, "i have a firearm" or placing a hand on the grip of the firearm, all spelled
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SEE ITEM #3 of 114 / SB 1243 / 13-421 / Defensive display of firearms protection “Defensive display of a firearm” means:
1 – Verbally telling someone that you have a firearm or can get one;
2 – Exposing or displaying a gun in a way that a reasonable person would understand means you can protect yourself against illegal physical or deadly physical force;
3 – Placing your hand on a firearm while it is in your pocket, purse or other means of containment or transport.
Defensive display is justified when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe physical force is immediately necessary to protect yourself against another person’s use or attempted use of unlawful physical or deadly physical force. A defensive display is not required before using or threatening physical force, in a situation where you would be justified in using or threatening physical force.
Defensive display is not justified if you intentionally provoke the other person, or if you use a firearm in the commission of a serious offense or violent crime (defined in 13-706 and 13-901.3).
This important new law clarifies that a proper defensive reach for or announcement of firearm possession is an acceptable element in the continuum of self defense, and should not be charged as a crime. Improper display of a firearm can be anything from a class 1 misdemeanor (e.g., disorderly conduct) to a class 3 felony (e.g., aggravated assault). It also helps balance out the problematic and arbitrary “threatening exhibition” of a gun allegation that prosecutors can make in charging a felony as a “dangerous offense” (13-702 and 704). The threat of this extra charge can be used to coerce a plea agreement, and now this is balanced with a specified stipulation of proper display of a gun without firing at a potential assailant.
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In Illinois, you're looking at a felony booking if the officer chooses to make the arrest. That's just how it is for now.

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I apologize for my ignorance and being new to guns but, I've seen reference to printing several times. Can someone tell me what that is? Thanks!
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I apologize for my ignorance and being new to guns but, I've seen reference to printing several times. Can someone tell me what that is? Thanks!
Printing is when you can see the shape of your gun through your clothes. What I was told is that if an "every day joe" can tell that it is a gun then you are printing.
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