Billys

Do you carry it cocked in SA or hammer down in DA?
This is my first hammer fired pistol so Im still getting used to the SA/DA thing and I dont know how I feel carrying it in SA with no manual safety. Is it safe to carry it cocked or no and just stay with hammer down DA?

I know 1911 guys say carry cocked is perfectly safe but they also have the other part of the saying... locked! The sp2022 has all passive safeties?

Help me out here guys?

Harkanin

For me I carry my 2022 hammer down.

I believe 1911s are designed tO be suited for cocked and locked carry but they are also sa only.

Siggybaby

Hammer down with an sp2022. With no safety, it's too dangerous to carry cocked.

1911's have 2 safetys (grip safety, and thumb safety). There is no comparison between the 1911 and sp2022.

Grail Knight

Hammer down.

txshurricane

There's really no difference between the internal trigger safety on a SA/DA Sig and an external safety paddle. Carrying a DA/SA cocked is no less safe than carrying a 1911 cocked.

That said, there's no reason to carry a DA/SA cocked - it's ready to fire.

97th Signalman

A pistol like the 1911 can be carried safely cocked and locked (safery on) because it can be locked. Since the P220 had no safety, it can't be locked. Therefore, it can't safely be carried cocked. Use the decocker on your 220and drop the hammer... it's the only safeway unless you consider carrying with no round in the chamber.

I also have a CZ-75B which is DA/SA with a safety. With pistols like that you have a choice... cocked and locked or hammer down if you don't mind the slightly touchy process of lowering the hammer without a decocker.

Kenny D

The Ruger P89 that I used to have and the Bersa Thunder 9 UC Pro that I have now are both DA/SA and when you put the safety on while cocked, they both would decock when the safety was engaged.

txshurricane

It's not the "ONLY" safe way...Sigs have two internal trigger safeties that will not allow the firing pin to move unless the trigger is pulled. 1911s in Condition One are NO SAFER than a Sig DA/SA in Condition One.
That said...I still don't believe that Condition One is the safest way to carry ANY gun.

sigpro2022

Hammer down, practice with DA trigger and before long you will be able to DA first round and then double tap the second with the cocked SA trigger. The sp2022 is awesome.

jph1589

It can be a very natural part of drawing the weapon to just pull the hammer back as a part of that motion. So there really isn't a need to DA the first round.

Siggybaby

I hope you're joking.

Doug Clark

Maybe just mis-informed....

I own several Sig SA/DA's (P239, P229, P226, P220) and they are carried with hammer down, as designed. Also own Sig 1911 Tac Op and 1911 RCS, the RCS is my daily carry and it's C&L, as designed. I understand it's optional on the 1911, but most safely carry C&L.

txshurricane

Why would you trust a 1911 external safety over Sig's two internal safeties?

sigp229r

SP2022 should be carried with the hammer down.

The 1911's can be carried with the hammer cocked back and the thumb safety on (a.k.a. "cocked and locked" or condition one). Also with the 1911's, there is a grip safety so there is less likely a chance for an A.D. with both safeties engaged. If the trigger is depressed accidentally with both safeties engaged while the hammer is cocked back, the hammer will not drop. With the SP2022 if the hammer is cocked back and the trigger is depressed accidentally, the hammer will fall, resulting in an A.D. (if there is a round in the chamber).

Siggybaby

Don't you mean a 1911's external safety(s)?

If it were safe to carry a DA/SA pistol cocked, LEO's and other agencies would do so. Too much risk of pulling the trigger when drawing.

You are giving people on this board dangerous advice when saying it is safe to carry a DA/SA pistol like the SP2022 cocked. Call SIG and ask them how a SP2022 should be carried.

txshurricane

Well, if you want to go that route, check any 1911 user's guide and it will tell you to never cock it unless you're ready to fire.

I'm not advising anyone anything. I think it's dangerous to carry ANY gun cocked and locked. But it's a personal decision, and I don't see an inherent problem with carrying a Sig in Condition One if it's considered acceptable to carry a 1911 in Condition One.

The man who is credited for the Conditions of Carry, Jeff Cooper, advocated Condition One in 1911s because 1911s at the time did not have half-cock positions, and Condition Two was unsafe (the weapon could be dropped on the hammer and cause a negligent discharge).
HOWEVER: Cooper insisted that Condition Two is more appropriate when a firing pin block is present, and advocated Condition Three as an even safer and faster way to charge the weapon. Which is why he used a lever-action Winchester 94 in Condition Three for home defense.

One of my favorite quotes from Cooper is: "Safety is something that happens between your ears, not something you hold in your hands." Just because a cop or a firearms instructor says 1911s in Condition One are safer than a Sig in Condition One doesn't make it biblical. The fact is that both weapons have sophisticated safeties in place that you can either trust or not. Myself, I'd rather not. But if someone else wants to, what's the problem?

At the end of the day, please don't let this discussion upset you. It's just a matter of opinion.

Doug Clark

I agree… a comparison cannot be made between the DA/SA and 1911 platform.

Try posing the same C&L question on a 1911 forum where many folks have safely carried 1911’s for decades.

sigp229r

A Sig DA/SA CANNOT be carried condition one. Condition one means round in chamber, hammer cocked back, and the thumb and grip safety are on. Sig DA/SA's have no external safeties. Therefore, cannot be carried condition one. The 1911 style Sig's can be carried condition one because they have both a thumb safety and a grip safety.
What you are describing for the DA/SA Sig's is known as condition zero.

txshurricane

Thank you for clarifying. You're exactly right. That puts it in a whole different light, doesn't it?

matthew86

Ignoring the technicalities in the definitions of terms utilized here, what it boils down to is the 1911 typically has two safeties preventing the weapon from firing when it is cocked and locked. A good grip and thumb sweep quickly render the weapon ready for use yet safe to carry. The weapon cannot be fired without both safety mechanisms being properly countered. The 2022 on the other hand when locked (hammer back) has nothing effectively preventing it from discharging. One could argue that the most important safety is between your ears. No one can argue that carrying the 2022 in that condition is as safe as said 1911. The chances that a ND could occur are greatly increased especially when adrenaline is thrown into the equation. Don't pull your weapon unless you intend to neutralize a threat and you will be fine. Most of all, carry the DA/SA weapon in DA and practice with it. Consider the function and implementation of your weapon and make the choice to carry in the manner you are most comfortable with. I hope that you will disregard the attempt made to fuel a debate in this thread at the expense of safety.