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Old 11-05-2012, 02:34 PM   #46
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It's Hot and humid in Hawaii

Aloha Kenny D,

I too have been wondering about how heat and humidity can affect my gun and cartridges. I did some searching on the interwebs and have found some interesting opinions and pseudo-facts. Here's my opinion based on what I have read:

Heat and humidity may affect primer, powder, casings and lead. From my readings, there were <2-3% of times when heat affected the cartridges. (FTF)

If you are carrying for self-defense purposes, then <2-3% is too much for me. I wouldn't take a chance of storing my firearm/ammo in my car, as ambient outdoor temperatures in Hawaii only get to a max 100 degrees. (usually it is 70-85F.) BUT, I have taken temperature readings in my truck when in the hot sun the internal temperature of my truck reached 125+F. This is too high for my liking. (I don't think the cartridges will cookoff even in Texas Heat, but I don't like the 'physics' of heat and combustible products.)

Good Luck.

P.S.-does your employer have lockers for each employee? if so, why don't you ask if you may bring it into the facility and lock it in your locker.
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:56 PM   #47
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Aloha Kenny D,

I too have been wondering about how heat and humidity can affect my gun and cartridges. I did some searching on the interwebs and have found some interesting opinions and pseudo-facts. Here's my opinion based on what I have read:

Heat and humidity may affect primer, powder, casings and lead. From my readings, there were <2-3% of times when heat affected the cartridges. (FTF)

If you are carrying for self-defense purposes, then <2-3% is too much for me. I wouldn't take a chance of storing my firearm/ammo in my car, as ambient outdoor temperatures in Hawaii only get to a max 100 degrees. (usually it is 70-85F.) BUT, I have taken temperature readings in my truck when in the hot sun the internal temperature of my truck reached 125+F. This is too high for my liking. (I don't think the cartridges will cookoff even in Texas Heat, but I don't like the 'physics' of heat and combustible products.)

Good Luck.

P.S.-does your employer have lockers for each employee? if so, why don't you ask if you may bring it into the facility and lock it in your locker.
I have been leaving it in the console of my locked truck since May of this year. When I would get into the truck even on the hottest days (thermometer read 115 on hottest day) and get my 2022 out of the console, the pistol wasn't even hot. Barely even warm to the touch. I now have no worries about the heat getting to it during the summer months. I assume that with leaving a small crack in the windows, being closed up in a console tucked between the seats, and me getting off of work at 2:30 ( beginning of the hottest part of a Texas summer day) has helped keep it cool.
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Old 11-05-2012, 05:04 PM   #48
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The big dog where I work is a hunter/shooter, too. I don't think we'd get canned for leaving a long gun in the car (although I throw a an old blanket over my case if I've come in straight from the range). That said, bringing a firearm into the building is way against our parent corporation's policy. Even got the stickers on the door.

Naturally, if there were an unfounded rumor, I'd be the first guy they'd search, 'cause they know I'm a gun guy. To which I say, "Fine ... but I get to pick who frisks me."

BTW, I've before carried a flat of mixed target loads for shotgun in my car (underneath the rear cargo deck) all summer long (and it hits 100 here) without negative consequences. Guns went boom, clays broke.

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Old 11-28-2012, 11:33 PM   #49
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I think a problem is that in today's society, vs the time when the 2nd Amendment was written, we live in much closer proximity to one's neighbors than citizens did in the late 1700's. We want to talk about public safety out of one side of our mouths and the right to carry out of the other- but they're two different things. Yes, I believe it is our constitutional right to carry - concealed or open - firearms. However, unfortunately that doesn't address the responsibilities that go with owning a firearm. I live in Oklahoma, where we just passed an open-carry law (don't get me started about my thoughts on passing a law that gives me the right to do what the 2nd Amendment already gives me the right to do...). I have a concealed carry permit, which is now just called a carry permit. I can now walk the streets with a gun on my hip. Does this concern me? Yes. Why? Because the government gave me this permit because I took a 2 hour course explaining when I could legally draw my weapon, and because i passed a background check. Same as the thousands of other Okies who have their permit and the thousands of others that are swarming in droves to get theirs too. The problem is I know how to shoot. I spend time at the range. i was taught safe firearm handling. I learn everything there is to know about the firearms I own. The government that gave me that permit did not insist that I do those things, I was fortunate enough to have a grandfather who passed his love and knowledge of firearms down to me, and now I carry the flag. But what about all of the wanna-be gun-toters who have the permit, wear the gun, but know absolutely nothing about the weapon they carry? Those who haven't the first clue about firearm safety? Hopefully Darwinism will kick in and thin the heard of the idiots, but the sad truth is it's more likely that they'll either accidentally shoot someone else, or one of their kids will pick it up when it on the coffee table and shoot themselves or a friend. So, as much as I fanatically insist that I have been given the right to carry a firearm, just like my neighbor, I also have a growing concern about the general lack of firearm knowledge and safety that the "armed masses" possess. The government says we can have guns, they just dont insist that we know a damned thing about them, and that does become a public safety issue. I hope there doesn't come a time when I'm more concerned about the armed idiots than I am the perps. Soon we may not be able to tell them apart.
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My company has a no firearms policy. As a manager, I've never seen a concealed weapon, nor have I looked for one.

Nlitend.... choosing who is smart enough to exercise constitutional rights is a slippery slope. Many left wing politicians have carry permits and/or armed guards under that same mindset.

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Who all here that have a CHL, do you leave your weapons in your vehicle if policy forbids entering the building or facility? Do you have a safe or just hide it? Does the summer heat pose any danger to the ammo? Down here in Texas the interior of a car can reach over 150 and I wouldn't want to have a ND due to excessive heat if that is even possible. I will soon be carrying and would like some input on this. Thanks.
Ammo should always be changed periodiclly. Humid climates can affect the powder quicker than other climates. so i would say it shouldnt be a problem as long as you change your rounds every 6 months.
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But what about all of the wanna-be gun-toters who have the permit, wear the gun, but know absolutely nothing about the weapon they carry? Those who haven't the first clue about firearm safety?
I'd love to see a link where a CHL holder has ever shot someone by accident.

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So, as much as I fanatically insist that I have been given the right to carry a firearm, just like my neighbor, I also have a growing concern about the general lack of firearm knowledge and safety that the "armed masses" possess. The government says we can have guns, they just dont insist that we know a damned thing about them, and that does become a public safety issue. I hope there doesn't come a time when I'm more concerned about the armed idiots than I am the perps. Soon we may not be able to tell them apart.
The trouble with this mindset is: where do you draw the line? What would the captain of Sig Sauer's shooting team, Max Michel, say about YOU or I? He'd probably be nice about it, but compared to his knowledge of pistols I would look like a drooling idiot. Yet my knowledge far surpasses what many local sheriffs' deputies would consider "firearms training".

So am I more qualified than a cop, or less qualified than a professional shooter? Well...both. So the question becomes: at what level of knowledge or experience does a CHL become warranted?

I like that the U.S. Constitution treats adults like adults. The fact that we have certain freedoms until we lose them is unique to our country. When laws are set up to prevent accidents that may never happen, it's called a nanny state, and the possibilities are endless.

Want the legal driving age to go up to 18? If no - why not? Far more deaths are caused by teens in vehicles than CHL holders with guns. It's all about perspective and what you're willing to accept from the illusion that laws make you safer.
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Ammo generally takes temperatures in excess of 350-400 degrees Fahrenheit to cook off. Put some gunpowder in your oven and see what temp it cooks off for yourself. Mythbusters busted that myth a long time ago.
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I'd love to see a link where a CHL holder has ever shot someone by accident.

you mean other than themselves right?
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Our corporate owners are anti-gun. That said, the people in our location, including the top dog, are fine. Both of the guys above me at our building know I'm an instructor and every now and then come in straight from the range. Hell, one of them is a shooter, too. They're fine with it.

So, if I don't have time to stop at home, I park in a fairly secure, lighted and camera-recorded area, and I throw a blanket over any cases or range bags. I don't bring anything into the building so as not to put me or my bosses in a bad position with the big office. As soon as time allows, I run my stuff home.

Hey, I'm in an "anti" state and the corporation is "anti," but my own job is a good one. Wish the situation were a little different, but you can wish in one hand and ... well, you know.
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I'd love to see a link where a CHL holder has ever shot someone by accident.


The trouble with this mindset is: where do you draw the line? What would the captain of Sig Sauer's shooting team, Max Michel, say about YOU or I? He'd probably be nice about it, but compared to his knowledge of pistols I would look like a drooling idiot. Yet my knowledge far surpasses what many local sheriffs' deputies would consider "firearms training".

So am I more qualified than a cop, or less qualified than a professional shooter? Well...both. So the question becomes: at what level of knowledge or experience does a CHL become warranted?

I like that the U.S. Constitution treats adults like adults. The fact that we have certain freedoms until we lose them is unique to our country. When laws are set up to prevent accidents that may never happen, it's called a nanny state, and the possibilities are endless.

Want the legal driving age to go up to 18? If no - why not? Far more deaths are caused by teens in vehicles than CHL holders with guns. It's all about perspective and what you're willing to accept from the illusion that laws make you safer.
Hurricane, I was merely pointing out the same thing that you just pointed out. Perception is everything. I agree with all of the statements you made in the post above, and you might be surprised that you and I share the same philosophies when it comes to our Constitutional Rights, our Right To Bear Arms..the list goes on (as hard as that is to admit from an Okie to a Texan )
Good God, if our country were to go on a "preemptive law" making spree, we wouldn't be able to tie our shoes without government say-so. But seriously, I know CHL holders that I don't think should be allowed to carry a sharp pencil. But the gets right back to the "it's a matter of perspective" argument. I'm a no-no-nanny kinda guy myself. To make a short story long, I never much cared for politics (or politicians for that matter) in my youth, and only in my aging(?) years (50) have I started taking a good look at the country we live in, where it's been and where it's headed. Perhaps before, but certainly since 9/11 we are edging closer and closer to being a closed society. The "Patriot Act" and the men who drafted it made sure of that. Any US citizen can be held indefinitely, without right to council, in an undisclosed location, tortured, and killed- just because someone decided to call you a terrorist. And this is the US, Land Of The Free! This has given me a bit of the "citizens should not fear their governments" fighting spirit. So, having been trolling a few different forums and reading your posts, I feel like I have a pretty good idea of your philosophies on our right to bear arms. And I'm a believer too. I will carry a gun to my workplace, regardless of their "company policy". State and Federal law supersede company policy. And I agree, there are many scenarios that I would gladly go to prison if I could save another's life, but break some sacred cow law. And again I believe you to be correct when you in essence state that as individuals we are given the Right to Bear Arms, but its also up to the individual to learn all he or she can about the responsibility that comes with executing that right. No laws stating such, no overwatch committees, just the weight on the "grownup's" shoulders. I'm still going to be on the watch for the idiots though .

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I'd love to see a link where a CHL holder has ever shot someone by accident.

you mean other than themselves right?
Yes. Duh

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Hurricane, I was merely pointing out the same thing that you just pointed out. Perception is everything. I agree with all of the statements you made in the post above, and you might be surprised that you and I share the same philosophies when it comes to our Constitutional Rights, our Right To Bear Arms..the list goes on (as hard as that is to admit from an Okie to a Texan )
Gotcha. Sorry if I seemed defensive.
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Changing out the ammo every six months is probably fine. Hell, I think you should shoot your preferred carry rounds every now and then, anyway. I run through a couple magazines of premium rounds every couple months. They are going to feel (and possibly impact) a bit different than bulk practice ammo, IMO.

I've carried a flat of shotgun shells in my car for entire summers w/o a problem. Was shooting a lot of claybirds, and just easier to go to the car when I or a fellow gunner needed a box of something. Kept a mixed flat of 7.5s, 8s and 9s.
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Yes. Duh


Gotcha. Sorry if I seemed defensive.
No, you're not defensive, you're just as...gosh I hate to use the word "militant", as I am when it comes to the defense of our rights. We have more and more of them taken away every day, and I'm just getting to that point in my life where I am taking a stand and saying, "NO MORE!". "I, _____, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC..." quoting from the enlistment oath. The whole reason that the 2nd Amendment was added was not so we as citizens could protect ourselves from foreign enemies, but from our own government! So I may be deemed a radical, but who is currently the greatest enemy of the Constitution of the United States? Foreign, or domestic enemies? I'll leave that for you, dear reader, to answer for yourself. As for me? I will keep my firearm on my hip, and I'll stand vigilant against ALL enemies, whomever they may be.

Hmmm. I sound like someone waiting for the complete collapse of society. Must be the meds.
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