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Old 04-26-2012, 05:10 PM   #1
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Guns at the workplace.

Who all here that have a CHL, do you leave your weapons in your vehicle if policy forbids entering the building or facility? Do you have a safe or just hide it? Does the summer heat pose any danger to the ammo? Down here in Texas the interior of a car can reach over 150 and I wouldn't want to have a ND due to excessive heat if that is even possible. I will soon be carrying and would like some input on this. Thanks.
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Old 04-26-2012, 05:37 PM   #2
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Kenny,I have no problem keeping a firearm locked in the glove box and doors locked in hot and sunny florida.
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I obviously dont carry being from IL and all, but i think if it were something to be concerned with i would just make it a daily routine to put my mag and chamber round both in a pocket or mag carrier just to be safe... I personally dont know what the ignition temp is for gun powder.
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Kenny D, I personally don't like the idea of leaving a firearm in a vehicle, not for
fear of a cook-off but because a vehicle is relatively easy to break into. I'm a
locksmith and we use special tools and techniques to open a vehicle not because
it is all that difficult, but to prevent setting off airbags or damaging the car. If I
had no other choice I would try using one of the Micro Vaults that are available
that can be secured in the vehicle, preferrably in the trunk where it may not be
discvered by someone who just wants a joy ride. In regards to the ammo
detonating from the heat, unless your car catches on fire, it's not an issue. Shawn
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When you say, ”forbids”, do you mean under threat of being fired, or due to penal code 30.06?

A lot of companies have ”no firearms” policies, but they either post penal code 30.05 (which does not legally forbid CHL holders from carrying, it just adds a penalty for trespassing with a weapon) or just threaten to fire anyone caught with a gun.

In both cases, I just carry as usual.

If you decide that is not your prerogative, then I wouldn't worry about heat. Leave it out of plain sight and out of direct sunlight, and it will be fine. Can't be much hotter than if it were strapped to your side all day!
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My work does not allow weapons on the property. I generally leave it in the car locked up where no one would see it. This is about the only time I leave one of my guns in a car though. My car sits right outside my office door so I could see if anyone was trying to get into it.
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Thanks for the replies. I'm not really worried about theft as we park in a secure gated parking lot with cameras but I was more worried about the effects of the heat. Granted I wont be leaving it in plain sight in an unlocked vehicle, it will be locked up and hidden.
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What kind of place do you work at, where you would actually follow the "no handgun" rule? Are there combustible materials around or something?
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Well I don't know the facts, but I always looked at it like this. If ammo can be carried, packed, shot in deserts across the world, they should be fine left in cars.

I figure in Iraq soldiers have mags, ammo boxes, loaded guns in vehicles all the time. Or maybe ammo boxes sitting in the direct sun. If it can put up to that heat, it should be ok for me.
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What kind of place do you work at, where you would actually follow the "no handgun" rule? Are there combustible materials around or something?
I work in a manufacturing plant as a machinist. I do a lot of bending and stretching so it would probably be exposed at times and I wouldn't want to get reprimanded or canned for a violation of the COC here when it would easier to leave it in the car. As for a stranger to enter and pose a threat would be unlikely because you need a RFID embedded key card to enter the building and gates. Our facility is pretty much secure. We make bearings for the energy sector (oil, gas, windmills and mining) and military radar installations.
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What kind of place do you work at, where you would actually follow the "no handgun" rule? Are there combustible materials around or something?
I worked on military installations my entire career. I followed the "no handgun" and numerous other rules, thus retiring after 37 years service.
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I work in a manufacturing plant as a machinist. I do a lot of bending and stretching so it would probably be exposed at times and I wouldn't want to get reprimanded or canned for a violation of the COC here when it would easier to leave it in the car. As for a stranger to enter and pose a threat would be unlikely because you need a RFID embedded key card to enter the building and gates. Our facility is pretty much secure. We make bearings for the energy sector (oil, gas, windmills and mining) and military radar installations.
Gotcha. Hey, to each their own. We can't all carry 100% of the time, as nice as that would be.

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I worked on military installations my entire career. I followed the "no handgun" and numerous other rules, thus retiring after 37 years service.
Federally owned property is another matter altogether. That's why I asked. My office and many of the places I visit have "no handgun" policies (via Texas 30.05 criminal trespass code) but don't have the legal right to prosecute if I were to defend myself there. YMMV
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I found the website that shows you the military radar installation we are manufacturing. The bearing goes right under the radar unit and the bed of the trucks they are mounted on. They are just 36 inches in diameter and just under 2 inches thick. They will rotate while supporting in excess of 2000 lbs. Give it a look and see the neat stuff that supports our troops.Lockheed Martin TPQ-53

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What kind of place do you work at, where you would actually follow the "no handgun" rule? Are there combustible materials around or something?

i work at a federal facility.
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Txshurricane, If you're suggesting what I think you are, then you're going onto very thin ice there. If you ignore a company's rules against concealed carry, whether covered under federal statutes or not, you still could face loss of your job and possibly your carry permit as well. Management can pretty ruthless when they want to set an example.
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When I was in Iraq (89b ammunition specialist [yay my experience matters]) the only ammo that we had concerns about overheating were highly specialized guided bombs/missiles. We stored our ammo in Milvans which are glorified ovens in the summer sun and never had a cook off from the heat.

I carry at work... but my work doesn't have a policy concerning weapons in the employee handbook, but I'm not about to ask any questions.
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Txshurricane, If you're suggesting what I think you are, then you're going onto very thin ice there. If you ignore a company's rules against concealed carry, whether covered under federal statutes or not, you still could face loss of your job and possibly your carry permit as well. Management can pretty ruthless when they want to set an example.
I'd rather lose my job and my license than lose my life.
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Roger that, If it's a high risk environment, do what you have to. Just remember the golden rule - don't get caught.
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What kind of place do you work at, where you would actually follow the "no handgun" rule? Are there combustible materials around or something?
us gov't faciilty that has signs upon entry to property & individual buildings, "no guns, knives or other weapons", nope.

to me a federal firearms violations trumps 2nd amendment personal rights.

& btw, get involved in an accident on federal property, show drivers license, when it's run, they see ccw like any other le agency running the license & now might just have probable cause to search vehicle for firearms.

my $ 0.02
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The company I work for is very strict on weapons. They have fired people before because they've left a rifle and/or shotgun in a case in plain sight inside their own locked vehicle on property. With that being said I do know they're not allowed inside your locked vehicle to be able to search for a concealed weapon.

I do agree with txshurricane as far as public places go (ie my local mall) that likes to have their no concealed weapon sign on the door which only means they can ask you to leave if they find your carrying then could have you charged with trespassing if you refuse to leave, but as far as my job goes I don't carry on my body. Just don't ask to search my car
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