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Old 12-20-2012, 09:20 AM   #1
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Specific CCW Need!

What action do you recommend for CCW? My wife and I just took our CCW class and the guy that taught it is very informed. He trains the trainers at all the local ranges. He gave me hell for purchasing a SAO P938 for my wife and I's CCW. He said that we would need to practice 2 hrs a week for 6-12 months in order to be proficient with it enough to carry daily. That obviously concerns me coming from a professional. Although he did talk up the quality of the gun he just never suggests newbies to get a single action as they require more steps to be ready to fire. My plan was to carry it chambered and cocked (forgot the term this is called! Condition 1?). I don't think my wife is as comfortable to carry this way since it will be in a pocket holster in her purse and will get knocked around a bit. So to sum up I am in the market for a double action compact for my wife but I like the safety feature and to throw a wrench in this I am left handed and would like to have ambidextrous features as well. All this in a $350 or less price range! I can bet there are probably only a select few out there like this if any. I would appreciate the recommendations.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:06 AM   #2
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First off, congratulations and thank you to you and your wife for making the decision to carry and make your community a safer place to live in. Onto the guns now, for her I would recommend maybe a ruger lcp .380 or ruger lc9 9mm which are pocket pistols and both DAO that don't break your pocket. As for you I would recommend either a DA/SA sig or a glock. I love my sig SA/DA 2022, however I choose to carry my glock 19 as I am more consistent and accurate with it and can draw and rack off 2 rounds in 2.7 seconds accurately placing 2 center of mass hits which with practice, is pretty easy to accomplish. I think everyone has their own learning speed so I do not think the 6-12 months is accurate at all. I feel it has to do more with how often you go practice and how many rounds you shoot over the course of time. If you have any questions just ask away, there are many people on here with YEARS of more experience & knowledge than I have.

I would highly recommend taking a self defense course or holster drawing course if one is available near you. You will find that under pressure you will not be able to perform a smidge of what you can normally do target shooting.

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Old 12-20-2012, 11:02 AM   #3
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glock with it's safe action trigger system, 5.5 lbs & consistent thru all models, i carry a g30.
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If price is an issue, you can get a Sig P250SC and or a Bersa. I have had a 250 and carried it until I got my P239. Bersa has 380's and 9's Your best bet is to go to a range and try different models out.

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$350's a tough price point for something you want to use to defend yourself.

l e glock trade-ins have extremely good/reliability value & can be had for close to $350.
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Thanks guys! I guess I should find out what my wife is looking for in a CCW. After reading my post again it sounds like I want a second gun for myself without consulting with my wife. For a lower price gun I have seen some good reviews on the Taurus 709 Slim. What are your thoughts? I spent half my bonus money on a holster and gun safe so I am kind of restricted to $350. I was hoping to make it a Christmas gift but I probably should get her full input on it. I guess I will just have to get a babysitter and take her on a date to the gun range. That is my kind of date.
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As bearone2 said, when it comes to a SD weapon it is not smart at all to purchase the cheapest firearm you can get your hands on at that point in time. if 350 is your limit, another $200 when you can set it aside will get you a better firearm. I believe I got my glock 19 4th gen within the 550 price range (new) after taxes. Used sigs in good condition can be found within the 600 and less range if you look in the right places. When it comes down to your life, you want something that will absolutely work time after time. Period.
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What makes the Glock or Sig better than a Ruger or a Taurus or a Bersa which are in my price range new? I know the Glock is highly recommended and is on pretty much every 10 best compact list out there but I have not seen any real bad comments on the lower price ones. I saw more problems posted about my SIG P938 than these low end guns. I have been lucky with my P938 and have feed about 200 rounds through it without a problem but you sure do see a lot of negatives out there. Newbie question; a 9mm no matter the platform will pretty much do the same things when it comes to self defense as long as you are using the same ammo and you are on target correct? I know there may be some slight velocity differences but isn't a 9mm hollow point going to pretty much do the same damage in any gun? I am still going to take to the range to see if we can test these out but I know the guy behind the counter is going to try to talk us into something higher end. I value the opinion of experience so I would appreciate the advice!
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What makes the Glock or Sig better than a Ruger or a Taurus or a Bersa which are in my price range new? I know the Glock is highly recommended and is on pretty much every 10 best compact list out there but I have not seen any real bad comments on the lower price ones. I saw more problems posted about my SIG P938 than these low end guns. I have been lucky with my P938 and have feed about 200 rounds through it without a problem but you sure do see a lot of negatives out there. Newbie question; a 9mm no matter the platform will pretty much do the same things when it comes to self defense as long as you are using the same ammo and you are on target correct? I know there may be some slight velocity differences but isn't a 9mm hollow point going to pretty much do the same damage in any gun? I am still going to take to the range to see if we can test these out but I know the guy behind the counter is going to try to talk us into something higher end. I value the opinion of experience so I would appreciate the advice!
quite a few new models come with issues that trusted manufacturers will stand by and resolve. that's the case with the 938. Sig is adjusting these pistols for owners having issues. my 938 has been flawless and I have great faith in it's ability to be accurate and work properly and it is my edc.

when you speak of a single action only (938 is an example) versus double action only, vs double action single action, you might wish to look at this video
. it explains how those different platforms work.

whatever you use for carry, the more practice you invest, the more the working of the pistol becomes second nature.

the reason your trainer sees a single action as less than ideal is that to be readied, it needs to be cocked, chambered round and locked with the safety on. and the safety needs to be protected so you control when it's released (.....a purse isn't the most ideal scenario) and you need to practice releasing the safety before you fire so that release motion becomes second nature to using that platform of weapon. obviously it won't fire if you are confronted with an issue, draw and pull the trigger and forget to release the safety.

a double action, single action auto still needs a round chambered, but the hammer is down and requires a more decisive, longer pull on the trigger to perform the action of cocking an firing. in a stress filled situation, all you need to is pull the trigger.

it's my suggestion that if a person is not inclined to religiously practice with a more feature enriched automatic, they should consider a revolver. pull the trigger, the cylinder rotates and the bullet fires.

I hope that helps
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Well first off, glocks over any is a hell and back firearm. There have been so many types of torture tests done and they function time after time. Dropped from helicopters chambered and not discharged, water, sand, mud, buried for a year rusted to hell and still functioned. Sigs pretty much follow the same guidelines but they have more mechanical parts and more possible things to go wrong imo. However, they are used, trusted, and tested by many military branches, law enforcement agencies, and security forces that their reliability speaks for themselves.

A 9mm bullet will pretty much have the same effect out of any firearm however the ballistics change per firearm. Bullets will vary in any caliber depending on the type of bullet and grain that is in the bullet. From my own experience and what other members on here carry for SD, we like to use Hornady Critical Defense ammunition.

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Thanks. During our CCW class we were explained and shown the differences in actions in a class room setting and when we went to the range the instructor had us fire each type. It was a very informative for my wife and I who have only been to a gun range a few times. I was so focused on technique at the range I really didn't pay close attention to which action preformed better for us. I would like a revolver for its simplicity but they don't really have a safety feature other than the long trigger pull correct? With us being new to guns and the method we plan to carry safety features are a huge factor. I know practice is the key to any weapon so we will be practicing.
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Thanks for the clock testimonial but the question still remains? Why not a Bersa, Taurus or Ruger if the ammo will funtion the same? Are these companies not going to back their product if something goes wrong? I don't think my wife will be jumping out of helicopter and running around in the mud but I guess if she gets attacked there is a possibility of exposure to the elements.

I truely appreciate you recommendations but my question wasn't really answered in regards to choosing a lesser priced gun. I will just need to do the leg work and check out video reviews and such of all these types of weapons. If there is evidence of a big preformance issue with the less expensive weapons than I will save some more money up but from the several reviews I have read there doesn't seem to be any concerns with these less expensive pistols.
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First, I suspect your instructor is a glock snob. there is absolutely nothing wrong with a 938 as a ccw. the amount of practice will be the absolute same if you were pulling a glock. in fact i think a 938 is a better choice for 2 reasons, 1. it has a safety. 2. it has a muck lighter/shorter trigger, and that means less likelyhood of jerking off target. the only extra action required is sweeping the safety off on the draw. not a difficult thing to do.
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Reliability is why. We have stated in prior posts that those "cheaper" firearms have been known to snag up. When it comes to self defense you want something that will always work.
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What makes the Glock or Sig better than a Ruger or a Taurus or a Bersa which are in my price range new? I know the Glock is highly recommended and is on pretty much every 10 best compact list out there but I have not seen any real bad comments on the lower price ones. I saw more problems posted about my SIG P938 than these low end guns. I have been lucky with my P938 and have feed about 200 rounds through it without a problem but you sure do see a lot of negatives out there. Newbie question; a 9mm no matter the platform will pretty much do the same things when it comes to self defense as long as you are using the same ammo and you are on target correct? I know there may be some slight velocity differences but isn't a 9mm hollow point going to pretty much do the same damage in any gun? I am still going to take to the range to see if we can test these out but I know the guy behind the counter is going to try to talk us into something higher end. I value the opinion of experience so I would appreciate the advice!
how many ruger, taurus or bersa are used by any l e agency?
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Thanks for the recommendations and advice. I plan to use the SIG P938 for my CCW so I will obviously be doing some homework with snap caps(?) and a IWB holster I have coming in the mail. I am really just looking for something my wife could use and carry safely in her purse. Didn't mean to piss anyone off by pushing for info but this is not a hobby for us and I just want to be as informed as I possibly can. Thanks again for the help! I hope you all have a great Christmas.
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