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Old 01-04-2013, 06:09 AM   #16
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Maine law says "you or someone else have to clearly be in a life or death situation." So I would only pull my firearm if I knew that me or someone else was going to die or be severely injured. Another thing to consider, does the other person have a weapon? Just because they are bigger than you doesn't justify you to pull your weapon on them. I know what many of you are going to say; "if they threaten to kill me im going to pull my gun." In my state, I would go to prison if they had no weapon.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:07 AM   #17
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Man it would SUCK to live in Maine, but I use to live in Mass...ahh but I digress. In non friendly circles I don't reveal my gun or its existence to anyone and if I do take it out it's for its intended purpose, and I will use it. SO, it does not come out unless the situation is that DIRE, someone is about to be very gravely injured (in the process of) or a life is about to be extinguished. Other than that, the light at the range is all it takes for it to maintain that healthy Florida tan it enjoys .
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:31 AM   #19
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We were instructed never to brandish, fire warning shots, or even shoot to maim. Only if you are so threatened as to fear for your life, shoot to kill. Then be prepared to go directly to jail and defend your actions which may cost you around $60K. That is what you have to look forward to if you successfully convince the court you were justified in commiting 2nd degree murder.

The Virginia permit allows you to carry a concealed weapon. It does not allow you to use it.
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just came across this article...

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Respectfully, if that's your thinking, then you're not ready to carry.
That's not very respectful at all. Carrying is a right for every citizen. No one gets to say who is qualified and who isn't.

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We were instructed never to brandish, fire warning shots, or even shoot to maim. Only if you are so threatened as to fear for your life, shoot to kill. Then be prepared to go directly to jail and defend your actions which may cost you around $60K. That is what you have to look forward to if you successfully convince the court you were justified in commiting 2nd degree murder.
My class was taught that way, also. Personally, I think that's a terrible way to teach someone. An instructor should not tell people what to do, he/she should inspire them to think critically when it matters. CCW is about protecting lives, not about finding loopholes in the justice system. Taking the shot is either worth the trouble, or not.

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That's not very respectful at all. Carrying is a right for every citizen. No one gets to say who is qualified and who isn't.


My class was taught that way, also. Personally, I think that's a terrible way to teach someone. An instructor should not tell people what to do, he/she should inspire them to think critically when it matters. CCW is about protecting lives, not about finding loopholes in the justice system. Taking the shot is either worth the trouble, or not.
I agree with you and disagree with you on this. I agree that carrying is the right of MOST citizens. I also agree that defending one's life and property should not be constrained to "What if he survives and I have to defend myself in court?"
However, I agree with majorhavoc in that CC takes a certain mindset and maturity that some don't, and may never, possess. It takes a great amount of self-discipline and a stable and calm mind to know if, or when, to draw and fire. Also, majorhavoc is not saying that I should not have the RIGHT to carry, he is saying that I am not READY to. He is concerned for his safety, as well as my own.
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I agree with you and disagree with you on this. I agree that carrying is the right of MOST citizens. I also agree that defending one's life and property should not be constrained to "What if he survives and I have to defend myself in court?"
Yes, I should correct that to "most citizens". But Constitutionally speaking, EVERY citizen has the right until they give their rights up.

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However, I agree with majorhavoc in that CC takes a certain mindset and maturity that some don't, and may never, possess. It takes a great amount of self-discipline and a stable and calm mind to know if, or when, to draw and fire. Also, majorhavoc is not saying that I should not have the RIGHT to carry, he is saying that I am not READY to. He is concerned for his safety, as well as my own.
I'd wager that most of us on this forum may have been carrying responsibly for some years now but still not "ready" - in any sense - to draw on someone and fire. I only singled majorhavoc's post out because of it's blunt wording. I'm 100% sure his intent was not to belittle anyone. But it pays to poke holes in every post and see what's behind it. There are people in this country - and on this very board - that don't support Constitutional rights. Adding the word "respectfully" to a hipfire statement isn't good enough anymore. We have to support and educate each other, not thin the herd.

To put my money where my mouth is:
No, intimidation factor is not applicable to concealed carry. CCW provides an option for the last line of self-defense. It is not meant to be used as a deterrent on the individual level.
Intimidation is more of an open carry thing, but even that comes with its caveats. Check out this thread for some discussion on open carry.

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you're right, i don't look forward to that day & hope it never comes.
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Yes, I should correct that to "most citizens". But Constitutionally speaking, EVERY citizen has the right until they give their rights up.


I'd wager that most of us on this forum may have been carrying responsibly for some years now but still not "ready" - in any sense - to draw on someone and fire. I only singled majorhavoc's post out because of it's blunt wording. I'm 100% sure his intent was not to belittle anyone. But it pays to poke holes in every post and see what's behind it. There are people in this country - and on this very board - that don't support Constitutional rights. Adding the word "respectfully" to a hipfire statement isn't good enough anymore. We have to support and educate each other, not thin the herd.

To put my money where my mouth is:
No, intimidation factor is not applicable to concealed carry. CCW provides an option for the last line of self-defense. It is not meant to be used as a deterrent on the individual level.
Intimidation is more of an open carry thing, but even that comes with its caveats. Check out this thread for some discussion on open carry.

My intention here is to not ridicule anyone's stance on any issue.Everyone has the right to speak their mind. I can see you are a man who believes firmly in the constitution, and are not afraid to say so. You are admirable in this.

I am the same as you in the fact that I tend to poke and prod and argue the other side of an argument. I do appreciate your honest post. Blunt truth has never bothered me, as I tend to do the same thing and am not easily offended.

I, on this forum and many others, make occasional threads like this to see where people stand on certain issues. I appreciate those who have jumped in and discussed this with me.
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My class was taught that way, also. Personally, I think that's a terrible way to teach someone. An instructor should not tell people what to do, he/she should inspire them to think critically when it matters. CCW is about protecting lives, not about finding loopholes in the justice system. Taking the shot is either worth the trouble, or not.
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He is actually a very good instructor. I have talked with him at my range a few times since. I think he was tuning his words that day to open the minds of a couple of yahoos in the class. After all, we carry up here in what might be the most litigious part of the U.S. He was trying to warn any would be "heroes" that we have a huge number of attorneys per capita, all looking to pay the outrageous rents around DC by spinning the facts every which way. Like you wrote "Taking the shot is either worth the trouble, or not." Around here there will be alot of trouble whether you are right or not.
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In Virginia, you are required to flee no matter what the situation. The only time you can pull your firearm and use it is if "your back is against the wall" and you have nowhere to run and the B G follows. Only time I would really see myself pulling the firearm at all is a mass shooting that I would try to end or I really have fled and cannot run anymore. Also, in VA it is worse of a crime to "brandish" your firearm than to shoot someone. If your firearm comes out you pretty much have to use it...
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In Virginia, you are required to flee no matter what the situation. The only time you can pull your firearm and use it is if "your back is against the wall" and you have nowhere to run and the B G follows. Only time I would really see myself pulling the firearm at all is a mass shooting that I would try to end or I really have fled and cannot run anymore. Also, in VA it is worse of a crime to "brandish" your firearm than to shoot someone. If your firearm comes out you pretty much have to use it...
IMHO, this is a little ridiculous...... What's the point of carrying if you have to run when someone is shooting at you?
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IMHO, this is a little ridiculous...... What's the point of carrying if you have to run when someone is shooting at you?
In Virginia, you really have to think long and hard before deciding to carry. I would say you do in every other state but especially states like Va with horrible SD laws that go against law abiding citizens. We have great pro gun laws but HORRIBLE SD laws as I stated before. You have to be in fear of losing your life or have extreme bodily harm before you can take someones life or even threaten it. You also cannot take someones life over property. If you come home and a B G is standing in your home with your TV you literally cannot do anything but call 911. If he assaults you in your own home then you can, this also includes your vehicle... This means "sure mr.badguy here are my car keys please don't hurt me". In the scenario of taking someones life each time you will be arrested and charged and have to prove your case in court. Virginia has become pretty far left with the laws and very few of us carry because of it.
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This is a perfect example of an UNjustified homicide. The BG posed no threat and was fleeing. Six bullet holes in his back? Hope she looks good in a jumpsuit.
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