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Old 01-03-2013, 03:40 PM   #1
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Intimidation factor

I have been doing a lot of research on CC, CCW and people who CC. All things considered, I find that intimidation is probably the main deterrent in many a public encounter. During a fight-or-flight response, most people go with flight.

I want to know how many of you would agree or disagree to this statement.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:56 PM   #2
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Depends. I think if I am clearly in a cornered situation, and I feel as if I wont be able to control the situation, I will fight. Given my combatives training Id rather make someone submit rather than pull my gun, that is the last thing I want to do. In the right circumstances I will pull my firearm in order to protect me or another. But if I know I can get away without harm then I will flee.
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All things considered, I find that intimidation is probably the main deterrent in many a public encounter.
Respectfully, if that's your thinking, then you're not ready to carry.

Intimidation factor should have nothing at all to do with your buying decision for a CCW.

The weapon should only be presented when you're ready to use it.

At that point, what the damn thing looks like is totally irrelevant. Everything depends on how well you can use it, its reliability, and its stopping power.
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Respectfully, if that's your thinking, then you're not ready to carry.

Intimidation factor should have nothing at all to do with your buying decision for a CCW.

The weapon should only be presented when you're ready to use it.

At that point, what the damn thing looks like is totally irrelevant. Everything depends on how well you can use it, its reliability, and its stopping power.
you sir have the right mindset! OP you may want to evaluate his comments.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:18 PM   #5
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bohner69: If cornered, there really isn't a flight option. I would right tooth-and-nail to save my life if I absolutely had to.

Majorhavoc: That is indeed what I typed, but it didn't come out right. I didn't mean to say THE major deterrent, but A major deterrent. I apologize for this discrepancy. It is.something I have found to be, at least, moderately true, but not my complete belief.

Trust me when I say I am not concerned at all whether I am intimidating anyone or not. I do not carry as my training and skill level with my gun are not on par with where they need to be at this point. I have my CWP, but do not trust myself enough to carry this firearm with me and use it effectively when (God forbid) that time every came. I may only be 26 years old, but I know enough to believe that simply having any piece of equipment and not having the proper training to use it means nothing. I have shot thousands of rounds in my lifetime, but not with this p250. And what good will that even do me if I can't unholster?

I just find it curious as I am watching much anti-gun "news" coverage ,as most news coverage on guns tends to be anti, that show actual CCTV footage, the moment another firearm is pointed at the perpetrator, they lose most sense on what to do. I have seen much trigger pulling, but it is generally in the direction of the ceiling.
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Old 01-03-2013, 04:31 PM   #6
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intimidation might be thought of as provoking the b g so you can shoot him & that's a no-no in az.
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intimidation might be thought of as provoking the b g so you can shoot him & that's a no-no in az.

Isn't that a no-no in every state? It is in IN.
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One should never pull a gun unless there are no other options. I would not use it to try to provoke anyone so I COULD shoot them. It is not my go-to.
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I really do make myself look like an idiot, don't I?
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If there is a choice between fight and flight, and as a CCW holder you choose to fight, there is a very high likelihood you are going to go to jail.

CCW holders should be even more careful about avoiding confrontations than unarmed folks should be.

If what you meant is that most bad guys will flee if a gun is pulled on them, then you are again treading on shaky legal ground. If you draw on someone with the intent to scare them off, then by definition you were not in mortal fear for your life (otherwise you would have immediately fired). That means you will be vulnerable to a charge of brandishing, and again, you may be going to jail.

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If there is a choice between fight and flight, and as a CCW holder you choose to fight, there is a very high likelihood you are going to go to jail.

CCW holders should be even more careful about avoiding confrontations than unarmed folks should be.

If what you meant is that most bad guys will flee if a gun is pulled on them, then you are again treading on shaky legal ground. If you draw on someone with the intent to scare them off, then by definition you were not in mortal fear for your life (otherwise you would have immediately fired). That means you will be vulnerable to a charge of brandishing, and again, you may be going to jail.
I agree with you in all of this. The reason I chose this forum over others is that it seemed to me that you were all straight to the point, honest, and sometimes brutally so, which I can appreciate, as that's how I am. This group also seems to be very well educated and I can learn much from all of you.

However, if one, in mortal fear for their life, pulls a gun and the bg runs, is that still considered brandishing? Im new to all of this CC and its finer intricacies that you cannot simply read in state statutes. BTW, I am from Florida and I know our laws are all weird.
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However, if one, in mortal fear for their life, pulls a gun and the bg runs, is that still considered brandishing? Im new to all of this CC and its finer intricacies that you cannot simply read in state statutes. BTW, I am from Florida and I know our laws are all weird.
Well if you pull because you honestly thought your life was in legitimate danger, but you don't shoot and the bad guy runs away and makes a complaint to the police, then you will have to defend yourself against a charge of brandishing.

If you admit to pulling a gun, or if there are third party witnesses who saw you pull, then you will have to mount a defense against brandishing. How things ultimately play out would depend on the specific circumstances of the particular encounter, and of course, on the vagaries that surround a trial by jury.

Best rule: don't draw until you have already decided that you are going to fire. As an armed citizen you are not a cop who can pre-emptively draw on people as a precaution.
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I love this country's judicial system.....
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Under Florida statutes, we do not have a "brandishing" law, necessarily, insofar as to say the word "brandish" in all of its forms are not used. We do have an "inappropriate exhibition" statue which says that we can't expose the weapon in a "rude, threatening or angry manner."

Again, Florida laws are all kinds of weird....
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Isn't that a no-no in every state? It is in IN.
i'm not sure, i'm only familiar with az's laws.
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