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Old 06-23-2016, 01:07 PM   #1
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An Observation On Carrying A 220 Compact vs. A 220 Carry

I just got a new to me 220 SAO compact and I've been carrying a 220 SAO carry for a couple of years.

I wanted another 220 carry, but I wanted it with the long beavertail like my Avatar. They evidently quit making them and I've had around a dozen people looking including a couple of FFLs all to no avail.

Then I saw the ad for the 220 SAO Compact and it had the long beavertail. I looked up the difference and it turns out the barrel and slide are the same, with the only difference being the grip of the Compact is inch shorter than the Carry model. I figured that " wouldn't make any difference as far as concealability goes, but it makes a huge difference when bending over and carrying at 4:00. Mrs. Flash told me this morning that if I'm carrying the 220 Carry and I bend 'way over and you know where to look and what you're looking for, you can see the butt of the gun. If I'm carrying the 220 Compact and I bend 'way over and you know where to look, you really can't see it.

It didn't make much sense to me until I got out the two guns and the tape measure. Yes, the length of the grip is " shorter, but the base pad on the 8 round magazine is 3/8", so the difference in grip length now becomes 7/8", which is definitely significant.

I give up 2 rounds for this, but that doesn't trouble me at all. I also checked at the range today and the 8 round and 10 round 220 magazines work just fine in the Compact also, so I'll still carry a 10 round spare mag.
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Old 06-23-2016, 01:43 PM   #2
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Agreed. Using my P320 as a sub-compact vs compact displays the same results - much more concealable.
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I have the P220 compact and carry around 3:00. I have noticed there is more difference in concealability than you would expect as well.
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I would from time to time reach around and feel for the butt of my 220 carry as it was so comfortable I'd occasionally not be able to tell I was wearing it.

The 220 compact is so comfortable I can't feel it at all on my back. I'm going to be reaching around making sure it's there a lot more in the future than I did in the past.

This has been a real eye opener for me.

Oh, and it ejects at 2:30 instead of 3:30 like my other 220s. I have to stand in a different place to retrieve my empties at the shooting range. Mrs. Flash suggested I lower the load a bit to make it eject farther back but that might make my full size 220s undependable so I'm not going to do it.

I'm having a good time with the new gun. A member of our group who was a Marine and did a couple of tours of Vietnam wanted to shoot it. He put 3 rounds in around the same hole and 2 more an inch or so away. It's a very accurate gun.
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Congrats!!! You found out something that I've been telling people for years. Once you get down to a 4.25" barrel or less, it's the grip length that makes the biggest difference in concealability.

If you come to dislike the round feel of the stock grip the way I did, the Hogue G10 Piranhas were a major improvement for me. Enjoy your Compact, it's a great carry gun.
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I've got very small hands and the grips feel great to me. When I got my wedding ring, the jeweler told me I wear a woman's size ring and Mrs. Flash wears a child's size.

It has its advantages.
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Old 06-24-2016, 06:32 AM   #7
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Lol size 7 gloves here. The G10's just change the shape to a flatter vs the rounded shape. But if your comfortable with it if stick with it. Congrats again.
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Years ago I realized the grip length is the key to concealing your handgun. The more important consideration is how comfortable you are with the handgun you choose to carry. Years ago I would carry a P245 and then a P220 Compact. Both were comfortable and I could conceal them well. Unfortunately the cost of .45 ACP ammo skyrocketed and I went over to 9mm. Now my carry guns are the P239 and P938 depending on the temperature. It is most important that your are comfortable in your choice of handgun.
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Unfortunately the cost of .45 ACP ammo skyrocketed and I went over to 9mm.
One of the main reasons I reload. I just calculated my cost to reload a box of .45 ACP at today's street prices for components says I pay $7.86/50

Not all that expensive.
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remember, the carry is a full size frame.

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One of the main reasons I reload. I just calculated my cost to reload a box of .45 ACP at today's street prices for components says I pay $7.86/50 Not all that expensive.
I do not want to invest in the equipment to reload at my age (76) after watching a friend reload. It is far too complex and tedious for me. I know many re-loaders, but I just buy my ammo online. I just bought 2000 rounds of 9mm for about $10/50. I've been told the reloading equipment would be about $1000 for good quality stuff. I do buy "re-manufactured" .223 Rem at a savings over new ammo, but for some reason 9mm are about the same price whether new or re-loaded. However I have been saving my brass for a while just in case Clinton wins the November election. If Trump wins, I'll stop and sell my used once shells.
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I do not want to invest in the equipment to reload at my age (76) after watching a friend reload. It is far too complex and tedious for me. I know many re-loaders, but I just buy my ammo online. I just bought 2000 rounds of 9mm for about $10/50. I've been told the reloading equipment would be about $1000 for good quality stuff. I do buy "re-manufactured" .223 Rem at a savings over new ammo, but for some reason 9mm are about the same price whether new or re-loaded. However I have been saving my brass for a while just in case Clinton wins the November election. If Trump wins, I'll stop and sell my used once shells.
I've been reloading since Moses parted the Red Sea and I can tell you that there is no bad quality reloading equipment out there and that you could easily get into it for around $300.00. I teach new reloaders 2 or 3 times a year and it comes down to around one 3 hour session and they're good to go with occasional bits of advice down the road.

There are just a lot of reloading equipment snobs, same as for anything else and it tends to blind them to the facts.
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I've been reloading since Moses parted the Red Sea and I can tell you that there is no bad quality reloading equipment out there and that you could easily get into it for around $300.00.
If you say a decent re-loader can be had for $300 I won't dispute that. My friends who do re-load also bought books with specs, ultrasonic cleaners for the shells, scales for the powder, dies, etc., which I'm sure aren't inexpensive. Than there is the actual process that after I witnessed it, I decided it wasn't for me. For whatever reason, they chose to buy more expensive re-loaders. I just don't want to start something that after watching doesn't look like I want to do.
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Fair enough. Just thought I'd try to help. You don't need a lot of the things that people buy to reload, they just make things a little easier or, in the case of Ultrasonic case cleaners, make your brass a little shinier.
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I really would like to re-load and save money, so I sent my buddy the link to this thread. He is a gunsmith and a re-loader so I go to him when I'm not sure of something concerning firearms, re-loading, etc. Here's what he answered:
If you use a single die machine you could probably get away with spending under $300 to get started. You wouldn't be too happy though reloading one at a time. Say you're loading fifty cases. After you clean the brass you have to resize it. After resizing you have to change die to open the mouth of the case. Then you have to prime the cases. After that you have to measure the power and put it in the cases. After that you have to change die again to seat the bullet and if you don't have a seating die that has the crimping built in you have to change to a crimping die. All during this you have to measure the cases and check them for cracks. Don't think you would want to spend the time unless you get snowed in during winter. you'd be doing all this with a setup like this: RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme Master Reloading Kit : Cabela's
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