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Old 11-28-2016, 03:55 PM   #1
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Rebirth of a German P6 trainer pistol

I'm going to use this thread to document the build of a $159 German P6 trainer pistol. The particular P6 trainer I purchased has been rendered unable to fire by milling the face of the breech block at a severe angle, removal of the internals of the breech block including the extractor, safety block, and firing pin. The barrel has been drilled, milled and filled.... no reusing it again!

Not mine, but this is typical of these trainers. Mine is at the FFL, waiting for me to get time to go get it.




I've started gathering parts and so far have been able to get everything I need except for the barrel. I am on the waiting list with EFK to have one made, and should be able to get that shortly after the first of the year. If I can find an OEM in the mean time I'll probably jump on that if the price and condition is right. The firing pin and safety lock spring should be here tomorrow.



Eventual plans are to Gun-Kote the frame in matte stainless, the slide in matte black, black controls, and wood grips. But for now I want to just get it in working condition and make it go bang. I'll leave it in it's as-received condition; the slides are in the white, no finish on them. I'll probaby even leave the red painted grips on.

I'm not doing this to try to save money. Lol, not a chance!!! But I do like a good hunt, and I love to do these kinds of builds. About a decade ago, my time was spent building Browning M1919 machine guns using 80% right side plates into functioning semi-auto guns. I was also building the M2 tripods they used from scratch. I've also built a couple of 1911's, one on a Caspian Arms frame, and another on an 80% frame.

Here are a couple of my M2 tripods. These were very time consuming to make, but at that time they were starting to dry up. Still fun to do:





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Old 11-28-2016, 05:33 PM   #2
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Where's the P6 pics? We want to see it.

Let me know if you need any help with your P6? I've got a lot of knowledge (and some spare parts) of the P225/P6. No barrel, though. Sorry.
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Not mine, but this is typical of these trainers. Mine is at the FFL, waiting for me to get time to go get it.
Dang brotha, I have to go get it first! Hahaha

Thanks for the offer, I'm sure if I end up in a pickle I'll be calling. I've been doing a ton of research, so I hope I'll be squared away when I get into it.

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It's here, and in MUCH better condition than I expected. The rails show almost NO wear, only one or two shiney spots. But they are very small.

It does not have a short reset kit in it, but the reset sure does act like it does.

My plan was to refinish the frame in matte stainless and the slide in matte black. But with the condition this frame is in, I'll refinish the slide in a matter stainless and leave the frame alone.



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Wow! Nice gun. It's in better shape than I expected. It's really a shame those Germans destroyed those guns like they did. Good luck on your project.
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Yeah, fortunately I think this one will come back to life fairly easy.

That trigger though, I HATE the profile of that thing. Flat, then the hook on the bottom. Doesn't feel all that good. Probably going to try and modify a P226-ish standard trigger to fit. Worst that can happen is it doesn't work.
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Nice looking gun, sounds like a fun project! I'd be curious whether or not the slide was heat treated. Before firing, you may want to check the hardness of the slide. As this has been merely a trainer during it's service life, the ability to withstand live fire was not necessary. If you can find a local heat treat house, they can check the hardness for you and may even be willing to add the slide to a batch they are treating.
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I've given that some thought. My first though was..... if the breech face and barrel were demilled to the point they are now, they were likely a serviceable handgun before they were modified, and were shootable. Having said that, I don't really have a way to know for sure. If they were built to be trainers, I would think they would have just used a blank barrel or some other incomplete manufacturing process.

I do have a brinell tester, but I'm not sure I will be able to use it on the slide due to it's size. I'm not sure it would fit into the slide, and I wouldn't want to make the mark on the outside anywhere.

Time to do a little more research!
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I am confident the P6's were actual firearms, then demilled to be used as trainers. Everything about them looks original and of the same specs as other P6's on the market.
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Yeah, fortunately I think this one will come back to life fairly easy.

That trigger though, I HATE the profile of that thing. Flat, then the hook on the bottom. Doesn't feel all that good. Probably going to try and modify a P226-ish standard trigger to fit. Worst that can happen is it doesn't work.
I agree the trigger looks bad, but it actually doesn't feel that bad while firing. I was fortunate enough to be able to buy a factory short trigger from TGS about 6 years ago. It looks substantially better. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find another one for my new P6.

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I'd love to be able to find one of those! The original is not comfortable to me while dry firing, but I'll give it a run. I'll probably still mess around with another trigger just for grins.
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I am confident the P6's were actual firearms, then demilled to be used as trainers. Everything about them looks original and of the same specs as other P6's on the market.
While I agree with your thoughts here, being the slide is white leads me to believe it has not been heat treated. Determining whether or not it has been is an easy enough check and can be done inside the slide with no visible impact when the weapon is assembled. I'd sure hate to see this slide cracked (or worse) should it be fired and not heat treated.
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I've also got a trainer P6. I'm currently not using the original slide on mine, but the original slide appears to be nickel plated. It's pretty beat up and has some rust on it.
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but the original slide appears to be nickel plated.
I guess I never gave this possibility much thought.
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I guess I never gave this possibility much thought.
I think your slide is finished in nickel.

I checked my P6 against yours. The slide has the exact same markings except under the chin. If you can locate a key to figure out the meaning of your markings there, you may be able to determine whether your slide was proofed (i.e., if one of those marks is a proofmark, then obviously your slide was proofed).

And if it was proofed, then by definition it is GTG for live fire.

I'll do some research on your marks and see what I can find.
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