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Old 12-06-2016, 12:07 PM   #1
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What was the last SD class/course you took?

Just curious what was the last class/course or event you particapted in which would make you better prepared to defend yourself or the ones around you?

Only reason I ask is because of the 3 gun forums I'm on this one seems almost devoid of any talk or discussions about people taking Threat Focused courses, FoF courses, H2H courses or any blade techniques?

I see lots of new guns and lots of paper targets. But I rarely if ever see or read anyone who says they just got back from Gunsite or Thunder Ranch or recently took a local course.

So let's hear about them, what did you do and what did you learn?
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Old 12-06-2016, 04:50 PM   #2
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Concealed Carry Pistol Techniques

At Sig Academy. A four hour course to improve on concealed carry skills. We discussed clothing, gear, drawing from concealment, and shot placement. Most of the time we spent on draw/no draw drills, with shooting steel targets. The last drill was to shoot steel against another student. We used a mirror to look at each other, and one student was the aggressor who would draw first and the other would respond. Whoever hit their target first was the winner.
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At Sig Academy. A four hour course to improve on concealed carry skills. We discussed clothing, gear, drawing from concealment, and shot placement. Most of the time we spent on draw/no draw drills, with shooting steel targets. The last drill was to shoot steel against another student. We used a mirror to look at each other, and one student was the aggressor who would draw first and the other would respond. Whoever hit their target first was the winner.
Sounds great. I hear about the Sig Academy a lot. Do they give courses there for citizens or just law enforcement? You say concealed carry but I'm not sure if that's off duty or as a citizen?
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Two week Basic SWAT course, two week Basic and Advanced Tactical EMS, one week SKIDDS course (SWAT with dogs added). And then of course the maintenance training, minimum 16 hours per month. A lot of it wasn't specifically tailored to "self defense", but many of the concepts and skills would certainly carry over.

It's interesting you mentioned edged weapons. My brother in law was a JKD instructor, and was very impressive with a knife. One thing that stuck with me (no pun intended) that he taught me was that there is one constant to knife fighting...everyone gets sliced up...aggressor and defender. Although a number of my coworkers are knife guys, it was just never my thing. I figure if I'm needing a knife for self defense, I screwed up in not bringing a gun. A knife is used to cut hanging people down from trees and garage rafters, and for opening cardboard ammo boxes from MidwayUSA. Not trying to sound morbid, but those are actually my two most common uses for a knife. I'd probably grab a large flashlight, a tire iron, or just about any other melee weapon handy before I'd consider using a knife...(Edited to add: and a funny introspective, I noticed I didn't mention a baton. Although I've used a baton on several occasions, I've used a large, heavy flashlight much more, and prefer it over a baton).

Edited to add: You also mentioned FoF training. Simunitions are a great way to train. When getting hit actually hurts it makes you far more careful and less reckless. We do a large percentage of our scenario based training with simunitions.

I also want to add, that my post is in no way meant to make me sound like a rock star. In the world of door kickers and ninja warriors, I'm about as low speed, high drag as they come.
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Sounds great. I hear about the Sig Academy a lot. Do they give courses there for citizens or just law enforcement? You say concealed carry but I'm not sure if that's off duty or as a citizen?
I know for sure that some of the courses they offer can be taken by the public because at least some of the SIG Academy armorers courses are open to the private citizen. I'm not totally sure about their tactical courses.

As a side note, I'm not at all surprised that you see less of this type of topic on Sigtalk than on other gun forums. I think Sigforum appeals to a more discriminating clientele (Hahaha...only partly joking). When I want to talk tactics or politics, I go to other forums...Sigtalk is where I come to appreciate an exemplary weapon system and share gun glamour photos with fellow shooting enthusiasts. I guess you could say this forum appeals more to my collector side than my professional side.

I should also add, you can't always tell how much a gun gets used by a photo. I love the look of a well worn-in gun, but some simply hold up to wear better than others. My Glock 22 that I carried as my issue gun for 14 years looked nearly brand new when I turned it in. My M11A1 has been my CCW pistol for two years now (and I'm not gentle with my guns), and it has not a mark on it.

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Gunsite when it first opened up years ago. Beyond that, NONE. Why? simple. Training courses come and go with the breeze. the latest "Tactics" courses are the response of the latest News film or article. The basics are still Cooper's 4 rules of safety, Chapman's rule on Leaving the Leather, and for 99.44% of the population that is enough.

I am a Porcupine. Not a Sheepdog. I go quietly about my business day by day and avoid places where I need a firearm. I don't say I don't have one. Anyone wanting to impress people with their Tacticool can do so. I dry fire practice from draw about 30 minutes a day for grins and giggles. Usually using a Laser target. Like any Kata, it helps me unwind or get settled.

Don't want to do no running, firing from cover, Clearing the room exercises. Too Old, Too Fat, and all of that is window dressing anyway. it all boils down to "The Will to Shoot".
Read Jordan's book "No Second Best winner in a Gunfight". Best book on "tactics" ever written.

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Sounds great. I hear about the Sig Academy a lot. Do they give courses there for citizens or just law enforcement? You say concealed carry but I'm not sure if that's off duty or as a citizen?
Check out their web site. Sig has courses that range from the beginner that never handled a firearm and up. The sky's the limit on the type of courses they offer for civilians.
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USMC8672 makes an excellent point...if you don't like a particular tactic being taught, wait a few years and it'll change. In the relatively short time I've worked in an armed profession, I've already seen more changes in tactics than you can shake a stick at. What was vogue 15 years ago is ancient history now, and what was popular 60 years ago is all the rage again. In a 5 year period you can watch tactics come and go. The holding your support hand over the top of the carbine forearm is a fad, and won't last long. Don't get me wrong, I have a ton of respect for some incredible shooters who use it, but it still isn't going to stick around.
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Sounds great. I hear about the Sig Academy a lot. Do they give courses there for citizens or just law enforcement? You say concealed carry but I'm not sure if that's off duty or as a citizen?
I'm just a retired citizen who is concerned about the opioid problems in NH and the pit bulls down the street that have attacked my dog and other dogs.
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Jedi excellent posts. And it sounds like I should thank you for your service. So...thank you.
I mentioned blades because sometimes I carry a Bowie concealed. Up close if I had the opp I'd probably draw it instead of my pistol. I'd rather let you try to wrestle it from me than fight over a gun.

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Jedi excellent posts. And it sounds like I should thank you for your service. So...thank you.
I mentioned blades because sometimes I carry a Bowie concealed. Up close if I had the opp I'd probably draw it instead of my pistol. I'd rather let you try to wrestle it from me than fight over a gun.

Wow! Gorgeous knife!!!

It sounds like you live in a part of Free America, so congrats!, I'm envious. Around here, even with a CCW, the gun would be perfectly legal but the concealed Bowie would be a felony...ah...you have to love our laws.

And thank you for your kind words.
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Yes I live in Fl. Our permits are 'Concealed weapon or Firearm', CWFL for short.
And it doesn't limit the number of or size.
Knife is Covington made, well balanced and quite agile.

You're welcome thanks for helping people sleep soundly at night.
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USMC8672 makes an excellent point...if you don't like a particular tactic being taught, wait a few years and it'll change. In the relatively short time I've worked in an armed profession, I've already seen more changes in tactics than you can shake a stick at. What was vogue 15 years ago is ancient history now, and what was popular 60 years ago is all the rage again. In a 5 year period you can watch tactics come and go. The holding your support hand over the top of the carbine forearm is a fad, and won't last long. Don't get me wrong, I have a ton of respect for some incredible shooters who use it, but it still isn't going to stick around.
Fascinating observation---I wonder though if older tactics well learned and proven valuable at their time aren't still useful even when something "new and improved" comes along?

I wonder only because any potential SD situation we'd encounter would have also evolved; wearing of body armor, multiple participants during home invasions and on and on. In those cases newer developed tactics would be useful to learn how to defend against. If just the lone fool we need to defend against the older tactics being useful at those moments?

Just questions that occur to me, almost without a doubt basic gun handling techniques as well as practice them as often as possible the most sound and fundamental approach to self-defending.
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Fascinating observation---I wonder though if older tactics well learned and proven valuable at their time aren't still useful even when something "new and improved" comes along?

I wonder only because any potential SD situation we'd encounter would have also evolved; wearing of body armor, multiple participants during home invasions and on and on. In those cases newer developed tactics would be useful to learn how to defend against. If just the lone fool we need to defend against the older tactics being useful at those moments?

Just questions that occur to me, almost without a doubt basic gun handling techniques as well as practice them as often as possible the most sound and fundamental approach to self-defending.
YouTube came out.
Yeager got famous.
And folks tried to reinvent the wheel.

Old school still works. And Jedi is right that over the top Costa grip is a fad and uncomfortable as heck for anything longer than a stage at a 3 gun match.
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What was the last SD class/course you took?

I try to take a class every Jan. or Feb. (I cannot plan to get away any other time of the year)
This year I did 2 days.
Day one was Gunfighter 2 (Handguns) First hour was safety and mental prep and awareness then brief cover of basics, drawing and firing, reloads, malfunction drills. We went on to multiple targets, threat assessment, shooting on the move, partially obscured targets, barricades, in out and around a vehicle, scenario drills then combining aspects of these to run timed or head to head with another student.
Combat Shotgun was day 2
Started with safety mental prep and awareness then weapon manipulation with multiple platforms, shot choices, shot choices at distance. Shot selection and placement at distance. Multiple target engagements many many reloads, exchanging shot from the chamber. Scenario based drills timed and head to head.
Classes were taken with the Advantage Group in southeast Louisiana. Small class to teacher ratio approx 5:1
Hopefully ECQC Extreme Close Quarters Combat "stresses the importance of getting ones *** kicked, bring a mouthpiece, bring a cup, bring your A game" will be on the Jan/Feb schedule.



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