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Old 01-07-2017, 12:33 PM   #16
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Alexc051 Thanks for taking the time to respond. I like the idea of having a plan and knowing where my weaknesses/blind spots are. I will deffinately take you advice and do some dry fire practice runs. There is some ambiant light in places specifically the maine floor of the house. The upper floor and the main floor have very little ambient light.

My wife has a gun of her own and has been trained to use it in a range setting. This is another of the "mistakes" that I made. I should have gotten her gun which is very close to mine and told her to get intot he closet with it.

I also like the idea of a safe word to use prior to me re-entering our bedroom.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:34 PM   #17
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Every home is different, and one area no one checks is their car. Some cars have garage door openers. If the car is outside, they can break in, open garage and go through there.
I leave my bedroom door open and stage doors to certain areas so access from the outside is a hindrance. And I dont oil squeaky front, back, and garage doors..
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:50 PM   #18
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Everyone, thank you so much for all of you input with my non incident last night.

I want each of you to know that I respect your opinions and thoughts. This is really a huge help, giving ideas of a better response/defense, preperation physically and mentally.

My wife and I just had a conversation about the way that it all went down and what WE will do if it ever happens again. Specifically getting her into the closet with all the firearms including hers for a defensive approach.

I know the process of clearing the house is/could be a dangerous one. Calling the police for a bump in the night seems like an over reaction to me(again just me). Last night I had a conflict of technique in turning on the lights as I went. At the moment I was hoping that if there was a perp in my home that me turning on the lights would allow them a chance to retreat, allowing me the option of not having to fire on someone. After your input and my thought process I don't believe that I would do this again. A flashlight used correctly would allow me to identify a person prior to firing but wouldn't deminish my defensive/offensive approach IMO.

Training, awareness and having a plan seem like the best option to me at this time.

A sincere thank you to each of you that took the time to read or respond.
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:01 PM   #19
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As said above. First, call 911. Lock yourself and your wife in your bedroom. Let the cops clear the house. They will always be better trained than you or me. Tell the 911 operator you are in the bedroom and have a firearm. He will tell the police so nobody is startled and they can give you directions. I would not send my dog out to deal with the bad guys. I like my dog.

Now, if you live in the middle of nowhere and police are 40 minutes away, you may need to do something different, but living in the burbs this is my plan.

I have had to do this twice. Both times were false alarms. The cops were great and both times said I did the right thing and thanked me for calling them.
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:06 PM   #20
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I know the process of clearing the house is/could be a dangerous one. Calling the police for a bump in the night seems like an over reaction to me(again just me).
Having a dog is a great way to sort out bumps in the night. From your bed you will instantly be able to tell the difference between the dog's response to a curious sound, and the dog's response to the actual presence of a stranger in your home.

Dogs are wonderful for home security. Their mere presence is a deterrent, they sound a warning in the event of suspicious activity, and they can actually engage/delay an intruder, giving you precious time to ready your response.

Given a choice between my home security system and my dog, I'd take my dog.
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Billybob,

We appreciate you sharing your non-incident with us. I know I have had 2 similar instances while in Maryland. The first one I did similar to you. The dog (German Shepard) went nutso at 0200. Bark was a lot different so I knew something was up. House alarm never went off though. So, I grabbed my gun and a flashlight and went downstairs to check it out. I knew no one had gained access to the house since the alarm was still active. This one turned out to be someone breaking into the neighbors car.

Second incident I was on my way home from work and the alarm company called me about a tripped alarm. They had cops in route. Sad thing was, I beat the cops there. I checked the parameter and all windows and doors were intact so I went inside. (Figured the worst that happens is the cops now have more paperwork to do for my dead body) when I entered I went straight for a gun. This time, my AR was the closest thing for me to get. So I cleared the house with that and was done before the cops showed up. Took about 10min after I got home for the cops to show up. This was in a pretty decent size town/city in MD. We had local cops, sheriffs, and staties. Why it took so long, I'll never know. The outcome of this was a bad motion detector inside. The alarm company replaced it and never had an issue after that.

I have yet to try and see what Huntsville's finest would have for a response time. Don't want to find out really.

I have taken various defensive/offensive courses through my work and can clear rooms/houses but if woken in the middle of the night, I would not grab a pistol. I say this, because God only knows that person intent. If they are hell bent on killing someone hat night or on drugs you may want something a little more. Take a look at the story of Dr. Petit of CT. Those 2 criminals were never intending on just stealing a TV. They had malicious thoughts from the beginning. The way we plan it is for the wife to hunker down and call 911 while I get the boys. It's a single story and very open. A short barrel AR or shotgun is perfect for it and I can dart across where I need to. If you have little ones in the house, make sure you pick up those Legos before going to bed.

The only thing I have debated recently is to get a Sig MPX SBR and suppress it for my home defense weapon. I kind of like the idea of it.
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Having a dog is a great way to sort out bumps in the night. From your bed you will instantly be able to tell the difference between the dog's response to a curious sound, and the dog's response to the actual presence of a stranger in your home.

Dogs are wonderful for home security. Their mere presence is a deterrent, they sound a warning in the event of suspicious activity, and they can actually engage/delay an intruder, giving you precious time to ready your response.

Given a choice between my home security system and my dog, I'd take my dog.
Once again, exactly. My dog will only alert if he sees or hears something out of the ordinary.

Funny thing is, he has associated the beep from my security cameras with someone being around. He can be laying in his chair sound asleep and if the monitor beeps, he barks. Funniest thing ever.
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I've read what some of you said about having a light on your pistol, but my first thought was that if I am aiming it at a bad buy and he shoots at the light, I am probably going to be wounded or dead. Our walls are a light color and our interior doors are white, so if a bad guy walks into our bedroom I will be able to see him clearly enough and he won't have a target to shoot at.
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Try and find some night lights that are motion activated there are many different makes and models and sizes .. some are wireless and battery powered and put in the areas away from your bedroom .. if some one is in the house moving about they will activate the lights and reveal their position ..

but only works with out a dog as they would set them off as they move around at night .. I had to unplug one of mine in a room just off our bedroom because my GSD would patrol the house every couple of hours .. and with the bedroom door open it would wake me up .. but with a dog they will let you know if someone is in the house ..

The deputy who taught the conceal carry class I took showed us how to clear a building room by room .. slicing the pie is much harder to do properly then one would think .. and practice is needed to do it properly without bring harm to yourself .. after showing us he had each of us clear a room with a blue gun .. and after we were done he then graded us on our actions .. out of the 16 people in the class he said he could have shot about half of us because those people exposed themselves too much to a possible intruder and could have been shot .. That was after he had just showed us how .. was quite eye opening to all of the class !!

Clearing your home with an intruder in it is the most dangerous thing you can do .. even though he showed us how he emphasized that it was better and the safest thing to do is to stay in one room and defend yourself .. to call the police and let them clear your home .. unless there were children in other areas in the house you needed to protect ..
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We have one of the photo cell and motion sensor lights in a bathroom just down the hall from our bedroom. The light coming on would not wake either of us. However, if we had heard someone in the house and he came upstairs he would reveal his position as he came toward our bedroom.

The next question is if he came into your bedroom would you order him down on the floor or just shoot him and hope he REALLY was a bad guy. Obviously, if you order him down and he says nothing and swings toward your voice and holds something out in front of him, you have to assume the worst and PUT him down.
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Alexc051 Thanks for taking the time to respond. I like the idea of having a plan and knowing where my weaknesses/blind spots are. I will deffinately take you advice and do some dry fire practice runs. There is some ambiant light in places specifically the maine floor of the house. The upper floor and the main floor have very little ambient light.

My wife has a gun of her own and has been trained to use it in a range setting. This is another of the "mistakes" that I made. I should have gotten her gun which is very close to mine and told her to get intot he closet with it.

I also like the idea of a safe word to use prior to me re-entering our bedroom.
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I've read what some of you said about having a light on your pistol, but my first thought was that if I am aiming it at a bad buy and he shoots at the light, I am probably going to be wounded or dead. Our walls are a light color and our interior doors are white, so if a bad guy walks into our bedroom I will be able to see him clearly enough and he won't have a target to shoot at.
A little different look:

I was once playing soldier, training, and the opfor taught me this neat trick. Full fledged simulator battle - big guns, smaller guns, machine guns, "arty", boobie traps and things wrapped with MRE entree meals. I'm on the ground with a squad of guys and I watch another squad pop outta the bushes and take cover behind a shallow rise just over "there"-about 10yards, sorta orientated at us and sorta' not. We both start yelling a series of running call signs at one another(we were tasked to the 82nd and their running signs are always the same) and then Bam!!, the guy closest to us clicks on one of those baton sized mag lights, yep white light in the middle of simulated fun. "What the heck", was nearly everyone's response. of course no one could see what we were looking at thus we all freeze like deer. The mind bogs down in overwhelmed drive and I yell to "get down" to late, they open up on us laying under a spot light and now we go into casualty management.

If a bunch of trained killers freezes up under the spot light, how might a not so trained maybe killer respond? The real lesson for me, was that they used the light to not miss us. They could & did sight in on us as if it was full day light. We joke that combat is controlled chaos, whomever has control wins and that unexpected (to us) spot light gave them complete momentary control. By the time we got our bearing we had no bearings to get.

From then on when I was going into close quarters stuff, a Mag went with.

Your light isn't an CSIwherever prop/tool, used to help you figure things out and look cool walking through a house with perfectly functioning room lights, it's to highlight and fully expose the target you are in the process of engaging. Turns out to be your kid, good thing you had a clearly lit split second to verify. Turns out to be a bad guy, you're less likely to wing him while he's attempting to shade the blinding light, removing all doubt of who you intend to have walk out of the Thunderdome.
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Just as an afterthought here:

The dog was sleeping in our bedroom next to the bed the whole time. The light might have awakened him or maybe not. I didn't check.

He's a great watch dog and so I really didn't expect anyone to be in the house, but you never know about these things.
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In case of me getting killed she would have the ability to defend herself.
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Old 01-07-2017, 02:32 PM   #30
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In case of me getting killed she would have the ability to defend herself.
I miss understood what you wrote...... I mean you failed to ensure I understood you I though you were lamenting that your mistake was that her gun was different than yours and you should have gotten her one just like yours...... I speak faster than I think sometimes.
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