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Old 01-07-2017, 01:36 PM   #31
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Just to clarify a little base on several comments.

I do have a dog. A 6 month old Black and Tan **** Hound. She is still very young and not trusted to be around the house by herself. She was locked in a covered kennel in our garage. I will say this when she barks the whole dang neighborhood knows it. But for now she is not ready to defend anything. I had adult boxers until earlier this year. They both had cancer and died. They were great defensive weapons. Miss them a ton.

I would not plan on using a light in the traditional sense of a flashlight but for specifically what a recent post was about. Using it as a tool to identify quickly whom may be in my home.

I don't have any kids so it's just me the wife and the dog.
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Old 01-07-2017, 03:26 PM   #32
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We have one of the photo cell and motion sensor lights in a bathroom just down the hall from our bedroom. The light coming on would not wake either of us. However, if we had heard someone in the house and he came upstairs he would reveal his position as he came toward our bedroom.

The next question is if he came into your bedroom would you order him down on the floor or just shoot him and hope he REALLY was a bad guy. Obviously, if you order him down and he says nothing and swings toward your voice and holds something out in front of him, you have to assume the worst and PUT him down.
I have a German Shepherd Dog and if an intruder would harm her and thus get by her there would be no verbal warning .. if they harmed her they would mean me harm also ..
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We are fortunate that we live in a house on a fully fenced and gated lot and plenty of our neighbors' homes would be far easier targets.
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Interesting defensive ideas on this thread!! And agree, that calling 911 and hustling your family over to a neighbor's, or your safe room is only necessary when it's pretty clear there's an intruder. Like - you're awaken by the sound of 3 guys kicking in your door, or loud & nearby shattering glass - We've had the glass experience - and you'll know it's time to roll!!

Hearing only a bump, barking dog or motion lights coming on, or something else that's just odd .. Yeah, now we're talking about an investigation. Heck, we once had a heart-pounding moment after going to bed one evening - and UPS made an 11pm delivery to our front door. I'm not sure who was the most terrified .. me or the UPS man!!

Here are few techniques emphasized in our low-light shooting class.

- Always sleep in bark colors - and NOT a white t-shirt (if you wear anything at all!?..)

- Never turn interior room lights on. You have the advantage in the dark, because you know where doors, furniture, etc are - and the bad guy doesn't.

- Stay in your home's walkways, clear of potential tripping hazards - and keep moving.

- Approach interior corners and doorways cautiously, peering around these blind spots with as much distance as possible - and keep moving!

- Keep flashlights handy near each of your exterior doors, bedside, safe room, weapons light, etc - light is your friend and you want lots of options.

- Use flashlights with momentary-on pressure switch, as you should NOT leave a light on.

- Only use brief light-on flashes when checking a room - and keep moving.

- Point your flashlight at reflective walls or the ceiling, using this indirect light to quickly scan the room - and keep moving!

- If you do see someone, some motion, indications of forced entry, anything suspicious - don't point your light directly at this element, so they aren't sure they're discovered - and keep moving.

Low-light shooting classes are great learning, and fun too - but also very humbling!! It's difficult to shoot well while stressed and moving. It's a lot harder to shoot well adding darkness - either with or without weapons light, night sights & lasers...

Everyone will have their own sense about when they need a gun for these 'bump in the night' investigations. Over many years, I've become more cautious about carrying a drawn weapon around in a dark house. And while I can't say how I'll react, am hopeful the gun will remain secure until I know there's a lethal threat...

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I have a German Shepherd Dog and if an intruder would harm her and thus get by her there would be no verbal warning .. if they harmed her they would mean me harm also ..
I take the same approach to anyone who is determined enough to take on my dog.

To get to me they would have to get past the Shepherd/Malinois mix (she stays on the first floor) and then come up the stairs over my warnings.

Suffice it to say that if they failed to heed those warnings, they'd die without ever seeing me or the top of the stairs.

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We are fortunate that we live in a house on a fully fenced and gated lot and plenty of our neighbors' homes would be far easier targets.
What you do is trap the escape routes. Let'em in, detect them, use our technologies to make them think they just made the worst mistake ever- machine guns, dogs, trained big cats, velociraptors, delta force security team, etc.- then as the bad guys try to cut bait and run back to the hills you open up the moat, spring the punji pits, flame throwers and claymores in the wire....yard monkies (gotta have them)--with AK's.....and in case they make to the fence, you electrify it. make sure you have lots of video coverage. I love those security tape vids where they lock the door and the bad guys knock themselves out trying to get out, like in Snatch
Yu lik dags? "What?"... Dags ?



I don't know what you're asking me. Butt please call off the monkies. They keep touching me....
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Breaking glass story. I was visting my dad one week. It was about a year after his divorce. He had moved to a condo. Garage on first floor. Main stuff on second floor. Extra bedrooms on third floor. I was staying in my little brother's room on the third floor. About 2am we all awoke to glass breaking. It was loud! My little brother woke up and went to his safe and gave me a gun and grabbed his rifle. We peeked out and there's my little sister with her pistol peeking out the door. My dad calls up the stairs and says hunker down. I can see him checking the stairs to the main door and garage already. He checks his floor and comes up to us. We check our floor and find nothing.

My siblings lock down while my dad and I go outside. Nothing. All windows intact. We check the neighbor's (she heard it too and is looking out her window at us, she knows he's a cop) and nothing. We couldn't figure out it out. We know we heard glass breaking. We all go back to bed.

Well in the daylight we figured it out. We didn't check the second floor deck. The wind lifted the umbrella on the glass top table and flipped it. That's the glass we heard breaking. During our search all we did was look at windows and doors.

Oh forgot the whole point. He had his old TLR-1HL (the 600 lumen version, he got the 800lumen version for work) on his gun. And a handheld flashlight as well. He made use of both. The walls are white and him lighting up the floor with either was more than enough. He wasn't muzzling anything he wasn't willing to kill the few times he did raise his gun.

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I take the same approach to anyone who is determined enough to take on my dog.

To get to me they would have to get past the Shepherd/Malinois mix (she stays on the first floor) and then come up the stairs over my warnings.

Suffice it to say that if they failed to heed those warnings, they'd die without ever seeing me or the top of the stairs.
I'd love to see a photo of your GSD/ Mal cross, DBS! My partner who just retired after 6 years was a Mal/ Shep.
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I have two main pieces of advice, for whatever they're worth; First has already been mentioned, which is that a dog is an outstanding deterrent. I think a dog is the single best alarm system/ burglary deterrent all in one. But it does have to be the right dog, some will sleep through anything.

Everyone on my street knows I have a healthy supply of firearms, and I have a couple gang-bangers and dope dealers on my street. I'm 100% convinced that the reason I've never been targeted for a residential burg is that I have two ferocious sounding Malinois. But...if anyone plans on getting a dog for personal protection or home defense, I'd strongly caution them to evaluate their needs when determining whether or not to do bite training. Bite work is sexy and fun, and that draws a lot of people to it. It is also a huge liability. I mean massive. If Fido has had even a tiny bit of bite training and nips a neighbor's kid while trying to grab a toy, you're in a world of hurt civilly. As someone who's been sued in federal court, I can tell you it's no fun, even when you were in the right.

Also keep in mind that the primary role of even a bite/ patrol dog is as a locating tool. A human is very capable of detaining or using physical force on a bad guy...we generally don't need a dog for that, and you typically won't at home either. What the dog excels at is locating the threat. I've now had four patrol-certified dogs and I can tell you without reservation that my next personal dog will have zero bite training.

The second issue I'd comment on is that time is on your side. There is usually no need to go off half-cocked (pun intended) in a home defense situation. The longer you wait, the more clear the situation will become to you, the more time for the cavalry to arrive, increased probability of the suspect being apprehended, and reduced risk of a friendly fire situation. The overwhelming majority of residential burglaries occur during the day. So if something goes bump in the night, statistically speaking, it is more likely to be a family member or your drunk neighbor who is breaking into the wrong house. Just things to keep in mind.
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I'd love to see a photo of your GSD/ Mal cross, DBS! My partner who just retired after 6 years was a Mal/ Shep.


Here's our girl!



She was an SPCA rescue at about 2 yrs old. Required LOTS of professional obedience training due to lack of socialization and fear-based aggression.

No bite training for the exact reason you described. Plus, pretty much only only the pros need working dogs trained to play offense.

We ran a cheek-swab DNA analysis on her because our daughter was really curious. Mostly GSD, Belgian Sheepdog, and Malinois, with a little bit of Pit and then a small amount of a bunch of others.

The baggage from her previous life took a lot of time and money to undo, but it was worth it. She's the most loving and affectionate dog I've ever owned.


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Thanks for sharing, she's gorgeous!
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BTW, these motion detector lights are great. They're LED, plug into any outlet and pick up motion from at least 20' away and stay on for short periods. Just the thing for getting a glass of water in the middle of the night or picking up unauthorized personnel in your house. I also have some on the front porch and garage as well as the back yard. I recommend 'em highly.
Mr Flash,

Any chance you can provide a link to said lights. 15 minutes of searching on HomeDepot's website did not produce anything that resembles what you are describing.

Thanks!
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Here is a link to the ones I purchased from Amazon. They stay on for just under a minute. I'm not sure how far away they will pick up motion as I have them in bathrooms. However, one of them comes on when I walk past the bathroom door and it is about 6 feet away.

http://tinyurl.com/h9uq3d5
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I've recently incorporated technology into my home defense. I bought a bunch of Nest cameras and placed them such that I can monitor all of the rooms and halls in the house (not the bedrooms or bathrooms). They alert me to any sounds/motions (day and night) and record the last 10-30 days. If I suspect intruders, my phone is right next to my bed and I can quickly scan all the rooms on my phone. If necessary, I would then reach into my bedroom gun safe containing my silenced M590A1 or silenced M&P9FS (both have lights and MRDs). I'll clear the upstairs (where all the bedrooms are) and cover the stairs while I wait for the police. In the off chance something goes horribly wrong, the cameras will record everything as evidence for the police (or my defense).

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Old 01-11-2017, 09:10 AM   #45
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Well...I have a dog that should theoretically make enough noise to wake up the neighbourhood, then we can all retreat to our panic room (our bedroom) from where we can call emergency numbers and evacuate the house quickly (only a window and one entry) plus the shotgun with 27B buckshot awaiting anybody who has really bad intentions and cross the only entrance possible...from there my law comes in: my home, my castle and you had plenty of warnings plus if you got this far you must have harmed my best four legged friend who is part of my family so sod the consequences, as I will worry about it later ...

Hope we'll never have to come to this though

We've got burglared in our previous home whilst we were sleeping upstairs and did not hear a thing ... never felt safe again and moved away, got a dog and we all trained to call the emergency number in case Mr. K9 would start barking in the middle of the night and all come together making lots and lots of noise purposely as a warning.

I do still believe that a dog is a good first line of defense before going into offensive mode
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