dlm1188

P.S. the range is great. Good rangemasters and steel gongs out to 480 meters. Steel flip targets from 10-75 yards for pistols and .22 pistol/rifle. And it's only ten minutes from my apartment! I just wish I could afford to be there every week!

vertfu

Hey Semper, is that range in the LA area?

dlm1188

No Sir, it is not. This range is located on Highway 1, about three miles north of San Luis Obispo.

vertfu

Bummer for me, lucky for you.

Gun Jutsu

For a good way to check for eye dominance... Check the procedure I use.

www.gun-jutsu-training.com/dominant-eye

oops, sorry, wrong thread.

Force Recon Marine

dlm1188 - The double vision you're experiencing while using iron sights w/ both eyes open is normal. Also, the reason that the target is fuzzy when you focus on sights and vice versa is normal, too.

I can tell that you primarily shoot a scoped rifle because if you were using iron sights, even with your other eye closed, you'd experience that same blurriness when acquiring sight picture and sight alignment. I'm very familiar with iron sight and optics enhanced precision rifle marksmanship as well as combat and bullseye pistol marksmanship, and what you're experiencing appears to be a shooting fundamentals issue.

When shooting your pistol, concentrate first on acquiring sight picture; meaning you should raise your pistol & place the clear tip of the front sight blade at your designated point of aim (POA). This means that, first, your target will appear crystal clear and as you focus on the front sight to bring it at your POA, the target will appear fuzzy because you've realigned your eye's focal point from one object at a specific distance to a different object.

Next, while still concentrating on that clear tip of your front sight blade, align your rear sight so that the tip of the front sight is level w/ rear sight and the front sight is centered between the rear sight. The whole time you're performing this technique, the target will appear fuzzy but that's okay; you've already established sight picture and now you're fine tuning the alignment of your sights. The stationary target has nothing to do with this now and continue to concentrate on the front sight.

As you continue to ensure proper sight alignment, concentrating on the front sight, squeeze the trigger and your point of impact (POI) should be at or very close to your POA so long as you didn't anticipate the shot and flinch, which is typically caused by focusing more on the 'bang' rather than your sight alignment. From here on, your groups should be tight as long as you maintain this technique (sight picture, sight alignment w/ laser-like focus on front sight and, at the same time while you're focusing on sight alignment, trigger control (steady squeeze straight back & in-line w/ your trigger bow) which will 1) cause the shot to surprise you and 2) prevent you from 'milking' or 'heeling' the shot).

I believe someone has already provided you w/ info concerning eye dominance and if eye dominance is an issue, you can cant the pistol toward that dominant opposite eye and correct the issue. This is used for combat shooting for those w/ opposite eye dominance as well as combat shooting w/ support hand, but again, it appears that your main issue is more of a fundamental technique thing than eye dominance.

Some have suggested an eye patch or covering the opposite lens and though this can be effective for bullseye-style shooting, it is certainly not effective for combat/tactical shooting. Practice the above fundamental technique and you'll have tight groups in your intended POI. By shifting constantly from target to sights and back and forth in order to get a clear view of both, you'll do what we refer to as 'chasing the bull' - shots will form loosely around your intended POI and not form a tight group there because you haven't established your sight alignment to obtain a clear POA.

Hope this helps.

Gun Jutsu

This may sound weird but...

When I'm driving, I use dead bug guts on my windshield to train my dominant eye. The windshield is close enough to the distance away from my eye as pistol sights would be so you get a fairly good parallax effect.

I find a pretty good sized splotch of dead bug then, I super impose it on the license plate of the car in front of me.

Close left eye for a second to establish the "front sight" on my target. Then open the left eye and concentrate on keeping the "sight"on target.

It's eye training I do for a little while every day, and it's free.

exitus acta probat

Yep...I was trained to use my dominant eye. I have been dry-firing with both eyes open to break this habit. It hasn't become inate yet. At times, I can revert back to only using the dominant eye if I lose focus.

I also found I was moving my head down to meet my sights as oppose to bringing my sights up to my eye sight level. Tsk...tsk...

Hypersprocket

cut out a piece of construction paper to wrap around your lens and tape it closed so it cant slide off, same effect but without getting tape on your actual glasses

bearone2

both

MGF

I'm R-handed and strongly R-eye dominant. Shotguns,I shoot both eyes open. Pistols, too. Rifle at CQB distances with noor 2x magnification, both eyes open. I go above 2x or out to 100 yards on a scoped rifle,though, for some reason I have to squint the left eye a little bit just before the shot to really put it where I want it.

Maybe I should try that blue tape and lots of practice and see if I can back to both eyes open. Or maybe I should just squint a touch?

DickC

You forgot Campho-Phenique--the Miracle Drug!

Downtownv

Both eyes open trained that way: Trained the wife that way too.

DroidGeorge

If your going to go for a site alignment shot, based on the. CFS class I just completed use your dominant eye with either strong or weak side hand.

George

m1yeh

Right eye dominant, right handed here. When I first starting shooting pistols, I shot with one eye closed.

I unwittingly learned to shoot with both eyes open after I picked up paintball. I use a paintball marker with a ghost-ring sight and play with both eyes open. The hand eye coordination carried over to my pistol shooting.

Paintball is a fun and relatively cheap way to train both eyes open shooting.

Gray Ghost

I believe both eyes are best for situational awareness reasons.

TylerV76

Tried both open yesterday for the first time. Still hit the target but groupings were horrible. Going to take alot more practice to get consistent results. Not easy to go from dominant one eye to both eyes.

Gray Ghost

Not easy to make the adjustment Tyler but well worth it. Don't give up.
One day soon you'll be shooting and click... you'll forget you have both eyes open. And you will shoot just as well as you ever did.

Exstar57

I can't do it, I suck.

TylerV76

Ive been practicing at home (dryfiring) throughout the weekend and Its getting alot easier.

Ive got a laser that I hate shooting with but Ive sighted it in and Im using it to determine aiming accuracy. Line up with both eyes open then turn the laser on and see if Ive lined up properly.

If you have a laser or access to one, I highly suggest using it as a tool for aiming with both eyes.