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Old 10-05-2012, 03:08 PM   #1
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P226 Shooting Low

Ok so maybe it's not the P226 shooting low. I am shooting low, but my groups are tight. Low meaning about 3 inches low at 7-10 yards. Out of 4 handguns this is the only one giving me the trouble. When I raise the front sight up over the two rear dots I am hitting on target. There are a few diffent variables it could be, my grip, my stance (maybe), trigger pull or even the sights. I am new to Sig so I wonder if that could be it. The other 3 are a CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical, Sig 1911 and and XDm 45 4.5.
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Old 10-05-2012, 03:40 PM   #2
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Did you have someone else shoot it?
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Old 10-05-2012, 06:04 PM   #3
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Did you have someone else shoot it?
Nope. I asked the range master but it was so busy up there today that it was impossible for him to have enough time to do so.

The top left target is the P226. You will notice that once I quit using the rear sight or might I say raised the front sight significantly over the rear sights I was on target.

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Remember they have a "combat sight" meaning the dots all need to line up, with the front site dot covering your bullseye. Also, does it do that with all ammo and have you tried different loads?
If you're already using a "combat sight", you could be dropping your hand forward as you fire if you are not pulling your trigger finger straight back.

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This is about where I adjusted my sight to for me to hit the target.
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I was using 165 grain Winchester white box. I really don;t think that it was due to my dropping of the hand.

I am wondering though it the placement of my finger lower or higher on the trigger would make a difference.

I know that this is kinda like asking a doctor to diagnose me over the internet but do appreciate the feedback.
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When i lined them all up that is when i shot low. I started to move the front sight up until i walked it in and the above picture is about where i was as far as sight picture goes when i got it on target.
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Several questions for the shooter....

1) How fast were you shooting? are you doing control pairs or just mag-dumping?

2) Are your eyes focused on the front sight, the dots, the target, or somewhere between?

3) are you taking break between shots, or you stay pointed in?

4) How long have you been shooting the SIG, and what gun are you used to shooting?

5) What stance are you using, weaver/Iso/something else?

need as much info as I can before making any sort of diagnosis.

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1) How fast were you shooting? are you doing control pairs or just mag-dumping?

10 round per mag, 2 sec pauses between each shot.
2) Are your eyes focused on the front sight, the dots, the target, or somewhere between?

Focused on target, then front sight, then rear sights.

3) are you taking break between shots, or you stay pointed in?

Pointed in

4) How long have you been shooting the SIG, and what gun are you used to shooting?

CZ 75 SP-01, sig 1911 and XDM 45. Third time out with my sig, about 300 rounds so far. Brand new P226

5) What stance are you using, weaver/Iso/something else?

Weaver stance


Thank you
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1) timing wise, it isn't bad, however human eyes can only focus on 1 thing for about 3 to 5 seconds, after that, the muscle in your eyes begin to fatigue and you'll lose ability to maintain focus.

2) maintain hard focus on the front sight. By transferring focus between 3 elements, you tire your eyes out even quicker.

3) By stay pointed in, you will tire your hand and arm muscle. you start to anticipate shots and that's why all of sudden shot started to go low.

4) Well, SIG's DA/SA is alot different from SAO (1911) and Striker fired (XD). although since you said you fired all 10 in 1 setting, I bet first shot is the only DA and rest of the shot is fired from SA trigger. so the low shots are most likely anticipation.

5) You are shooting from Weaver, do you know about the Isometric Tension? that push/pull force you put on the gun? By using that, the sight should go right back on target and all you have to do is not goof up the trigger. you should be able to Mag-dump and have all the shots go inside the shoot-n-see target.

Now, this is just what I come up with, using the info provided, I could very well be wrong, since I"m not there watching you shoot. So take this advice with grain of salt, if you well.

hope it helps,

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some good shooting when you raised the front site.
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5) Now, this is just what I come up with, using the info provided, I could very well be wrong, since I"m not there watching you shoot. So take this advice with grain of salt, if you well.

hope it helps,

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This is good. I am just surprised that the shots between my CZ which is also DA/SA are so different. Although today I started out in SA. I will be back at the range next week and pay attention more to the points you made.

I have converted to the Sig as my EDC which replaced the CZ and I want to have the same results that I am used to with the CZ. Granted the CZ is a 9mm so some of the form deficiencies may not be as apparent.

I also seem to have gone through this with my .45. Maybe it is also having to get used to the .40.
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some good shooting when you raised the front site.
Thank you


This is what it looked like at 15 yrds

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Well, each gun is different animal, I decided to train with SIG cause IMHO SIG has the best DA/SA, although CZ come in close 2nd. With some dedicated training I don't see why you couldn't shoot P226 as well as the CZ SP01.

.40 S&W is a high-pressure round, so recoil characteristic is very different from 45 ACP. The best way I can put is is that while .45 is like a shove, .40 is like a whack. Shoot .40 S&W too much and you'll start anticipating like crazy... when that happens, unload and do some dry firing. That's the only way to stop anticipating shots.

From the look of the 15 yard target, your accuracy is there, there should be no reason why you can't shoot a ragged hole at 7 yards with the SIG. The hardest thing about shooting DA/SA is not the DA or SA trigger presses, but the way you transition from DA to SA without goofing one or the other. Continue what you're doing, focus on smooth trigger presses and keep the sights lined up and you'll be fine.



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Well I may have found the problem. I was sitting around the other night after I has made my post dry firing. I noticed that the grip tape that I recently added to the front stapped was very grippy. So much that I could probably tape to my hand a scale building like Spider Man. Anyways, it seems that this may have been causing me to pull down a bit. I have removed the tape and will be trying it out in the next day or two.
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