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Old 05-06-2016, 04:37 PM   #16
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if classic SIG's are to be repetitively dry fired, it should be done with a snap cap. Not using a snap cap allows the firing pin to travel to far forward, eventually the firing pin positioning pin will fail.
Solid pins will break, coil pins will start to walk.
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Old 05-23-2016, 01:42 PM   #17
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I practice DA stroke and without thumbing hammer or retracting slide practice SA on a "dead trigger". As long as there is a general idea of the reset point I can practice this important transition without breaking grip. The first SA shot is the hardest for me not to snatch the **** out of.
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Old 05-23-2016, 02:03 PM   #18
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No need for snap caps on a hammered fired gun. Just use a little foam ear plug. Works better to protect the firing pin. Little trick Robert Burke the sig armor showed me.

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I use aluminum snap caps and grind off the rim so that the extractor does not grab them. Then you can cycle the slide without ejecting the cap every time. They still can feed from the mag, or just be dropped right int the chamber.
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I use aluminum snap caps and grind off the rim so that the extractor does not grab them. Then you can cycle the slide without ejecting the cap every time. They still can feed from the mag, or just be dropped right int the chamber.
I'm curious. Why are you cycling the slide when you've got a snap cap in the chamber?
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Dry fire, with DA/SA?

So he can practice the SA reset ?

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That would make sense.
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Old 08-03-2016, 02:26 PM   #23
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Just bought Ben Stoeger's book Dry-fire training. His suggestion is to fire Da and then not let the trigger out enough for reset and pull more like Sa. It might feel a little squishy but works for training purposes.
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Old 08-13-2016, 06:24 PM   #24
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I've seen only evidence to the contrary that dryfiring....any modern auto pistol is harmful to it, so really there's no snapcap necessary. I hear the springfield EMP for some bizarre reason can't be dryfired according to Springfield but other than that, like every manufacturer has said dryfiring their pistols is harmless

I found the exercise that improved my trigger discipline the fastest was dryfiring off the reset, so snapcaps would be sorta counter productive.

I just pull the trigger, reciprocate the slide just long enough to reset the hammer with the trigger pulled down, reset, pull, rinse and repeat. It did wonders for an issue i had where i would momentarily relax the fingers on my strong hand at the moment of the bang which was pulling my aim to the left.
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Old 11-26-2016, 09:32 PM   #25
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What are we practicing? First round off the draw out of holster DA? Or aimed SA Fire?
I practice my draws and first round da stroke daily. I stand in front of a clock that has a second hand on it. When it moves I draw, aim and dry fire once. I do this repetitively to keep my draw/first round time down to under a second. Get the gun out, on target and stroke that trigger before the second hand moves again and you're under a second.
For SA dry fire practice I just cock it with my left thumb, dry fire and repeat.

For both DA/SA the whole object is to stroke the trigger without moving the front sight.
But I also do a lot of live fire draws and shoot from 1/2-3/4 hip positions out to 5yds. Point shooting is critical at SD distances. If you're raising you're gun and looking for the sights in an SD situation chances are you're behind the curve and won't catch up.

Draw, plane out gun, point and double tap. I can usually do that before most others even get their first round off because they are still raising their arm and gun to eye level. This comes from standing on the X in a static position and shooting at paper in indoor ranges. Bad habits get developed. 9 out of 10 people will freeze on their X if and when an SD situation occurs. They will forget to move and have most likely never shot on the move. Real world situations are 100% different than Sunday afternoon indoor on a pistol range.
Outstanding post, 7.62Kolectr. Thank-You! Great wisdom and experience there... I'll incorporate your methodology, as I haven't used a DA/SA since my Beretta days... Wonder what the difference is between the two, as per poundage on DA/SA... Well, I'll find out midweek, the Good Lord Willing...

Thanks again, 7.62Kolectr...

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Heres a video from a friend of mine demonstrating point shooting and its effectiveness.


http://youtu.be/xyWas59ANQ8

I think I have a new hero!
One question -- was his first trigger pull DA or SA?
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Heres a video from a friend of mine demonstrating point shooting and its effectiveness.


http://youtu.be/xyWas59ANQ8
Extraordinary, Sir... That shall be my goal for 2017...

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Old 12-01-2016, 06:56 PM   #28
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No need for snap caps on a hammered fired gun. Just use a little foam ear plug. Works better to protect the firing pin. Little trick Robert Burke the sig armor showed me.

I do the same as Dismas316, only I cut the foam ear plug to about half its length so it doesn't stick out all over

Foam plug lets you include trigger reset etc.
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Heres a video from a friend of mine demonstrating point shooting and its effectiveness.


http://youtu.be/xyWas59ANQ8


What happens if the bad guys are not standing a 10:30 and 1:30 ?

I get the intent of the drill. But that looks like a bad draw sequence to groove into muscular memory. It doesn't do much if the targets are moving and, if in a defensive situation, does not allow to confirm the threat is neutralized. Keep shooting or at least get more than 1 round per target.

At the very least I would move around between draw to maintain flexibility in aiming for different targets.

I understand the goal of showing how fast it can be done. But do not see the value for training purpose in a defensive context.
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One question -- was his first trigger pull DA or SA?
I believe he's using his Glock 17 for that.

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What happens if the bad guys are not standing a 10:30 and 1:30 ?

I get the intent of the drill. But that looks like a bad draw sequence to groove into muscular memory. It doesn't do much if the targets are moving and, if in a defensive situation, does not allow to confirm the threat is neutralized. Keep shooting or at least get more than 1 round per target.

At the very least I would move around between draw to maintain flexibility in aiming for different targets.

I understand the goal of showing how fast it can be done. But do not see the value for training purpose in a defensive context.
'Borderhouse Rules' with multiple targets. That is everyone gets one and then back again.

Here's a video with me better demonstrating WWII half hip shooting. The idea is to lock your elbow into your hip and let your lower body and hips do the pointing for you. If you draw, your elbow is loose and you go to engage multiples your arm will waive around more resulting in more misses. So before one can run or move and shoot as you say, which we did later in the day, you must first be competent doing the below.

Draw the gun, lock your elbow into your hip bone and let your hips do the swing and point. You'll find it to be the most efficient way of engaging multiples. It is the same method used for decades and works. This also works for moving targets as well because your arm, forearm and elbow are locked into your hip. Wherever you point your hips the gun will be. It is easier to track a moving object and hit it when pointing shooting from this position. The video above and the video here of me are the beginning steps toward learning how to use a gun to defend yourself without the usual draw, raise, aim and fire.

https://youtu.be/tnO-iHFV1ck

After you get this than you can practice getting off the X and shooting while moving.
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