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Old 03-10-2016, 06:35 AM   #1
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Dry fire, with DA/SA?

So, if ya want to train in both DA/SA, how are you supposed to train for both with snap caps?
P226, for example/
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Old 03-10-2016, 06:43 AM   #2
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I load up my mag with snap caps and manually rack the slide each time to simulate the action of the gun when fired. I know it's not the same, but it's the best I can come up with. The only other option is to simply thumb back the hammer for each SA shot...
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Old 03-10-2016, 11:25 AM   #3
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I put in a snap cap, and practice Double action for a while. You can do this forever if you want.

Then when I want to dry fire Single Action, I just thumb back the hammer like bronicabill says.
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Same here just like Bronica and Flash.
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Old 03-10-2016, 02:51 PM   #5
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What are we practicing? First round off the draw out of holster DA? Or aimed SA Fire?
I practice my draws and first round da stroke daily. I stand in front of a clock that has a second hand on it. When it moves I draw, aim and dry fire once. I do this repetitively to keep my draw/first round time down to under a second. Get the gun out, on target and stroke that trigger before the second hand moves again and you're under a second.
For SA dry fire practice I just cock it with my left thumb, dry fire and repeat.

For both DA/SA the whole object is to stroke the trigger without moving the front sight.
But I also do a lot of live fire draws and shoot from 1/2-3/4 hip positions out to 5yds. Point shooting is critical at SD distances. If you're raising you're gun and looking for the sights in an SD situation chances are you're behind the curve and won't catch up.

Draw, plane out gun, point and double tap. I can usually do that before most others even get their first round off because they are still raising their arm and gun to eye level. This comes from standing on the X in a static position and shooting at paper in indoor ranges. Bad habits get developed. 9 out of 10 people will freeze on their X if and when an SD situation occurs. They will forget to move and have most likely never shot on the move. Real world situations are 100% different than Sunday afternoon indoor on a pistol range.
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Heres a video from a friend of mine demonstrating point shooting and its effectiveness.


http://youtu.be/xyWas59ANQ8
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I mostly (95%ish) dry fire repetitive DA action, occasionally cocking the hammer for a few SA pulls, all with a snap cap.

I will also, albeit much less frequently, spend time with a completely empty chamber and no magazine. I dry fire DA, actuate the slide, really focus on the reset and prep, then an SA press, decock and repeat. This helps control the reset and helps with prepping the trigger at the range. I don't see how it's bad for the firing pin to be honest.

I dry fire a little every night, because the vast majority of my dry fire is DA, I'm actually slightly more accurate in double action.
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I put in a snap cap, and practice Double action for a while. You can do this forever if you want.

Then when I want to dry fire Single Action, I just thumb back the hammer like bronicabill says.
Same. With an HK though, there is a 'notch' where the hammer is down but back off the firing pin. Sig's naturally come back to this position so the hammer isn't resting on the pin, but HK hammers strike down and stay on the pin until the slide is cycled and hammer decocked. So when dry-firing, the hammer has to be pulled back a bit to that first 'notch'.
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Would say the man in the video has done that a time or two ..
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Would say the man in the video has done that a time or two ..
You'd be amazed at how quickly he could teach you how to do that.
If you can throw a rock accurately you can point shoot as well.
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You'd be amazed at how quickly he could teach you how to do that.
If you can throw a rock accurately you can point shoot as well.
I taught myself how to do it in my backyard with a BB gun and empty 12 gauge hulls. I got to where I could hit them incredibly quickly and accurately in a very short period of time.
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Dry fire, with DA/SA?

I don't use snap caps with dry fire on my p226. I don't think it is a gun that can damage the pin from dry fire like some can.
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Dry fire, with DA/SA?

Dry fire is not a problem.

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Okay, I just installed the srt kit on my 226 and when I go to "dry fire" DA without a snap cap or a magazine in the well, the trigger cycle is stopped short of strike. But when I install the magazine with a snap cap cycled/ racked to the chamber, the trigger travels to strike, is this normal?
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SA travel is also stopped, though the slide has been racked (without a snap cap or mag in the well) though the decocker will fn to bring the hammer to "safe"...

"Live fire" cycles in DA/SA functions normally...

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