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Old 06-01-2016, 09:43 AM   #16
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If you can get a chance and the perp is wearing the type of vest that SWAT teams wear, try to knock them over. It's pretty funny to watch them try to get back up if they haven't trained for it. Looks kinda like a turtle on its back since the tactical vests weigh so much.
A 12 ga. slug should do the trick. Never been hit by one, but I'll bet it would knock them over.
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Last week, two people I know (co-workers/friends of my next door neighbor) were victims of home invasion. Two perps, a male and a female, kicked in their front door and robbed them at gunpoint. The perps were wearing body armor. So, my tactical related question is do y'all practice shooting higher up as well as COM?
Interesting question! This brings up an issue for me that I find quite puzzling on this list. There is virtually nothing that either hasn't, isn't or can be discussed "Sig" that someone on here won't truly know about. Understood that some have been burnt by their postings and so don't always comment on where the 1994 beige green 227 half recoil spring that was made in the #2 plant (the original #2 - not the second #2) in W. Germany can be found in mint condition for $5.98 (you get my drift) and yet.... and yet, the deafening silence on training facilities and classes is just that: deafening.

Yes, practice is indeed VERY important, I also think training is extremely important (particularly for non- law enforcement and military). If the **** or any smaller version of that develops having solid training behind you may be critical.

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A 12 ga. slug should do the trick. Never been hit by one, but I'll bet it would knock them over.
I've knocked down more than one deer with a 12 ga. slug and they have twice as many legs as the average bad guy.
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I've knocked down more than one deer with a 12 ga. slug and they have twice as many legs as the average bad guy.
and 2x as strong as a man too.My fav firearm for HD 12 Ga w/tactical load- buck, slug, buck, slug etc and no I dont subscribe to the myth, leave the chamber empty and let them hear you rack a round. In my house its SMILE FOR THE FLASH
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If you can get a chance and the perp is wearing the type of vest that SWAT teams wear, try to knock them over. It's pretty funny to watch them try to get back up if they haven't trained for it. Looks kinda like a turtle on its back since the tactical vests weigh so much.
This is something that would not have occurred to me either though I don't own any BA yet. It's this kind of blind spot that reminds me to always be learning to reduce the odds of a catastrophic failure as much as possible.

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A 12 ga. slug should do the trick. Never been hit by one, but I'll bet it would knock them over.
I used to keep Brenneke Black Magic slugs in my 870 just in case something like the above happened but ended up deciding it was overkill in a house. Maybe I'll keep it set up in the master suite ... just in case.
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Two to the chest and one to the head is a normal part of my agency's firearm qualification course of fire. That is with a dao 9mm.
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and 2x as strong as a man too.My fav firearm for HD 12 Ga w/tactical load- buck, slug, buck, slug etc and no I dont subscribe to the myth, leave the chamber empty and let them hear you rack a round. In my house its SMILE FOR THE FLASH
I don't subscribe to the myth either. Nor would I announce that I'm armed or give any other indication that I was. What if the adversary decided to stick a weapon around the door jamb and start spraying? The element of surprise shouldn't be wasted.
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This is something that would not have occurred to me either though I don't own any BA yet. It's this kind of blind spot that reminds me to always be learning to reduce the odds of a catastrophic failure as much as possible.
Didn't occur to me either until my son-in-law started training for CERT for his job. My daughter said it was hilarious to watch him try to get up when he first got his tactical vest.
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Yes I own a vest. Yes I practice head shots and yes I keep a concealed gun on me as long as I am dressed. Gun Safe is on my side of the bed. When we go to sleep the safe is opened and our bedroom door gets locked than my hip gun goes in it. The safe is on my side of the bed a few feet away and there is at least one gun with a light on it and most of the time 3 of them. A Viper 12, a AR15 and a P226 although that may be changing to a P320 full size. The long guns have red dots and the hand gun has a laser. My house is a large one story with lots a of choke points in it.
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Inside the pelvic girdle is a pretty good stopping shot.
Two below the waist and one in the head should work for any situation.
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When in doubt, Triple Tap!
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I've been shooting since I was 15. My father's been a LEO for almost twenty years. During all my training with handguns it was never double or triple tap or shoot, look, shoot again. He always taught me that if I had to shoot someone, shoot to win. It was basically three or four shots as fast as I could into center mass then go for the head. Always end with head shots if possible. I made the decision to shoot, I better make sure the person is dead. There is no shoot to wound. It's shoot to stop the threat and dead is stopped.

My sister (13) and brother (9) have been shooting for a few years as well. Of course they get to shoot guns with suppressors since my dad recently got into that.

I once tried on his tac vest with rifle plates and it's probably 30+ pounds! Not something you'd wear everyday. His handgun only body armor isn't bad.

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I like and use these targets, the show the hip placement and have good contrast.

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