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Old 08-21-2016, 05:29 PM   #16
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I think practice is the key. I never even think about it, my support finger just automatically goes to the front of the trigger guard. I haven't thought about my grip in many years. A few weeks ago my brother (a colonel) asked me about it when we were shooting. I just smiled and told him it was probably why my groups were better and more centered than his! The key I think is find what works for you and then practice. I used to sit in front of the TV with my gun loaded with snap caps on the coffee table. Every time a commercial came on I'd grab it up and dry fire. After hundreds of times doing this and a good amount of draw and shoot at the range it becomes a natural reflex. The dry fire stuff really helps even if you just pick it up and aim , your hand position will become a natural instinct.
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Old 08-21-2016, 07:49 PM   #17
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Thanks for the post. Very good information, presented and explained very well.
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Old 08-22-2016, 10:49 AM   #18
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I did some shooting today and deliberately placed support finger under. It felt a little weird at first but I could probably get used to it with some practice and it had no adverse effect on my groups. Soooo my conclusion is: it doesn't matter. It's whatever your most comfortable with.
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Old 08-23-2016, 07:06 PM   #19
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I grew up shooting under. For your long range are you shooting for time or just accuracy?
A trick my dad taught me years ago when shooting long range for accuracy (not in a hurry) was to stage the trigger. So (works with any guns I have) I stage the trigger when pointing at the target, aim at what I want to hit then finish pressing the trigger.
It's like a two stage trigger from an AR.

You need to practice this with no ammo to figure out where to stage your trigger.

By staging the trigger I mean hold it right before it breaks and drops the hammer/releases the striker. I've done it with Glocks, Berettas, SIGs and S&W.

He showed me with a laser just how much you move the gun when pulling the trigger. Yes even short triggers like Glocks or 1911s.
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Old 08-23-2016, 07:25 PM   #20
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I grew up shooting under. For your long range are you shooting for time or just accuracy?
A trick my dad taught me years ago when shooting long range for accuracy (not in a hurry) was to stage the trigger. So (works with any guns I have) I stage the trigger when pointing at the target, aim at what I want to hit then finish pressing the trigger.
It's like a two stage trigger from an AR.

You need to practice this with no ammo to figure out where to stage your trigger.

By staging the trigger I mean hold it right before it breaks and drops the hammer/releases the striker. I've done it with Glocks, Berettas, SIGs and S&W.

He showed me with a laser just how much you move the gun when pulling the trigger. Yes even short triggers like Glocks or 1911s.


I also learnt that trick (staging the trigger) from an instructor a few years ago when I took a 1:1 lesson with him. That really helps tighten my groups. I also learnt the 60/40 style from him (60% grip by support hand and 40% grip by dominant hand). Putting the support hand's thumb under the trigger guard help me get a very firm grip by the support hand while I can relax my dominant hand and have a better control of the trigger finger on my dominant hand.
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Old 08-24-2016, 12:48 AM   #21
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This goes back to how one was trained. As for me when I was trained about 30+ years ago we used the weaver stance with the support hand over the trigger guard. Now days it is the isoceles triangle stance with both thumbs facing forward. Not the way I was taught to shoot, have tried it and can't hit anything. So back to the old ways.

I don't even have my thumbs facing the way the new way is done. Mu support hand thumb is over my shooting hand thumb

Comes down to practice, for me I have my support hand index finger over the trigger guard for everything, even revolvers. That is the most comfortable for me. I think with training you will get used to it, takes some time and don't think about it just do it.
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Old 09-13-2016, 04:37 AM   #22
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While I'm an "under the trigger guard" shooter myself, the answer is, whatever works best for you. No style points awarded.
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Old 09-13-2016, 12:18 PM   #23
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Watch from 02:00:

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^The report at 4:40ish was unexpected.

Good training info.
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The Weaver stance, grip and control of Staging on DA revolvers are the way things were taught in the 60s. I leaerned in the 60s. None of the people I shot ever complained about my stance, grip or trigger control.
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Old 09-13-2016, 09:43 PM   #26
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All that said, there is a reason why they tell you to put the finger under the trigger guard: for most people, this will help them stabilize the grip platform, allowing them to execute better and faster trigger control and maybe sight acquisition.

So yes, it doesn't matter how you hold the gun or what stance you use (including shooting the gun upside down and standing on one leg ). BUT the SIG instructor in the video is just making the point that trigger control and sight alignment are the most important things. Using a conventional, modern grip and stance (i.e. isosceles stance and finger under the guard) MAY improve your shooting by letting you get a more stable platform going FASTER. So if you are not shooting as well as you'd like to, maybe try the finger under the guard for a while.
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My hands are small... Lots of you folks can probably palm basketballs... When young, for me, softballs. Now, with arthritis, tennis balls...

Definitely, for me at least, under the trigger guard...

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There are a few people on the planet that can run a gun fast and accurately with the finger on the trigger guard. One of those guys "Frenchie" beats Max on a regular basis. With that said, if you decide to put your finger on the trigger guard, it has nothing to do with long range shooting, it's simply a means of applying leverage to control recoil. With that grip, its much less about side to side pressure and more about pushing with your strong hand and pulling with the finger. I tried it and hated it.

Under for me.
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Old 12-09-2016, 11:39 PM   #29
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The front of the trigger guard acts as a fulcrum when the support hand's index finger is placed on it. Stability therefore goes out the window, because the angle of attack on that fulcrum is constantly shifting during the recoil cycle and you are fighting bio-mechanics utilizing this grip form. It is somewhat like when you allow your trigger finger to rest on the side of the frame inside the trigger guard while pressing the trigger and/or exerting lateral pressure on the trigger as you press it rearward... When both occur, you have real problems. A lot of variance shot-shot due these variables in grip pressure/direction so your groups start to resemble shotgun patterns...
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Old 12-19-2016, 04:06 PM   #30
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With light,go under
Without light, go front,
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