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Old 08-15-2016, 10:53 AM   #31
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Yeah guy has a drawn gun on him and is probably yelling commands to stop and go away. Guy doesn't listen. He kept advancing and it became physical. Did not look like it was gonna just end peacefully or that he was gonna just go away.

Gun in hand after several warnings and it getting physical I think he was justified.

But had he simply locked the door and waited for the cops to come he would not have had to shoot him.
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Old 08-15-2016, 10:55 AM   #32
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Old 08-15-2016, 08:47 PM   #33
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Lots of tactical errors. Situational awareness failure.
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Old 08-19-2016, 10:00 AM   #34
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I couldn't believe it when the instructor approached the situation with the gun between him and the aggressor and the following him outside is just stupid. I agree with what others have said about if they had just stayed in the store the guy would of most likely left and they incident would of been over. From what I hear from the ladies at the convenient store I go to close to my house they have confrontations everyday with people.
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I couldn't believe it when the instructor approached the situation with the gun between him and the aggressor and the following him outside is just stupid.

This was one of the first things I noticed. Even if the BG wasn't being aggressive at that point I wouldn't want anyone that close on my gun side.

I completely agree with the sentiment that the instructor stirred the pot when he went outside. These gas stations have camera's, I'm sure the license plate info was collected by one of them. No one needed to exit the building until the BG was down the road.
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Old 08-19-2016, 11:55 AM   #36
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Following the guy outside...fundamental strategic and tactical error.

It appears to me that he went outside to get his license plate number.
yeah looked like he was going to get plate number for the store clerk. they guy went straight to the back of the car to get a view and not towards the door where the other guy was at.
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Old 12-06-2016, 01:36 PM   #37
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Following the guy outside...fundamental strategic and tactical error.

It appears to me that he went outside to get his license plate number.
From de-escalation to escalation, where the deranged perp felt threatened... Avoidable. Tough lesson to learn... Levine II is correct in his analysis...

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Old 12-06-2016, 01:38 PM   #38
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The threat was over. He started it all over again by going out to get the individuals license plate number. All he had to do was stay in the store until the individual left the area. He put everyone in the store in danger when he drew the guy back inside. The clerk should have locked the door as soon as the guy walked out and kept everyone inside.
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Actions have consequences... Shooter did NOT think things through... Safety is primary, not confrontation. If not possible to avoid confrontation, THEN take necessary action...

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