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Old 01-08-2017, 09:17 AM   #16
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I think it has more to do with the sheer quantity of 22s out there rather than the round's inherent lethality.
This, more people die from bee stings than grizzly bites.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:20 AM   #17
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I think it has more to do with the sheer quantity of 22s out there rather than the round's inherent lethality.
Prolly so.

Kinda like the concept of false positives in tests used indiscriminately...
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I think it has more to do with the sheer quantity of 22s out there rather than the round's inherent lethality.

Just like more people are ticketed for speeding in Fords than in Lamborghinis.
Agree. Look at the "shortage" of .22 lr, we have seen. Also easier to learn to shoot it well and cheaper then other ammo.
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The skull is hard rounded bone, with a few weak spots.
.22 through 9mm, a lot of heads shots went around the skull.
Even close straight on shots did.

9mm had that reputation for a long long time.
I remember an airline hijacking in the middle east, here a Navy seal passenger was shot and the 9mm went around.

.40 and .45 doesn't deflect near as much, but it does happen.
Rifles are moving faster, so will punch through more.

I find it hard to believe that heavy winter clothing slows a bullet, and can make it useless.
It is a tested known fact though
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I think it has more to do with the sheer quantity of 22s out there rather than the round's inherent lethality.

Just like more people are ticketed for speeding in Fords than in Lamborghinis.
This.
There are probably more .22s out there than all other calibers combined.
So simply due to numbers the .22 kills more people.

However it IS an extremely effective caliber and one that should not be discounted based upon size. It will drop large mammals at distances up to or just beyond 100yds with a properly placed shot.
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We never know....but... there may be someone we confront that may know their business and can put a round through the eye...never underestimate.
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I'll take my 22 with a 3 at the end and the 55gr are fine for any home invasion when I stack 42 of them in the mag for my Tavor.
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We never know....but... there may be someone we confront that may know their business and can put a round through the eye...never underestimate.
Mossad......Beretta 70....pop!
They also use suppressed .22 rifles. Quite effective their use of them is.
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Are we saying that the lethality of the .22 is restricted to head shots?
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Old 01-10-2017, 10:22 AM   #25
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Are we saying that the lethality of the .22 is restricted to head shots?
I think it would be opposite. I've heard more accounts of .22 "bouncing" off someone's thick skull than not reaching vital organs.
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Are we saying that the lethality of the .22 is restricted to head shots?
Well, that would certainly not be true. If you are not aware of the incident, look into the shooting death of South Carolina Trooper Mark Coates. Coates was shot by one Richard Blackburn during a routine traffic stop. Coates had a 357 Magnum revolver and Blackburn a .22 caliber handgun. Coates was initially shot at point blank range but his vest stopped the first shot. Coates was able to draw his revolver and empty the cylinder at six foot range or less, scoring 5 out of six center mass hits on Blackburn, none of which were fatal or even immediately disabling. Blackburn was then able to fire a second shot which hit Coates in the left armpit area, missing his vest and penetrating the aorta.

The entire incident was captured on dash cam and the graphic video footage clearly shows how long it took for Coates to go down after receiving that fatal shot:


Clearly, the .22 LR cartridge has the capacity to kill short of a CNS hit.

My guess is that the data on .22 caliber fatal shootings is a reflection of the prevalence of the caliber more than intrinsic effectiveness. But I have seen some .22 LR gunshot wounds in the operating room and I agree that it can be a nasty little actor with a tendency to ricochet and fragment.
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This is a very powerful video. I've never before seen this. Thank you, pblanc.

I have forwarded this to a Capt. in charge of training.
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I hadn't seen it before either.

I'm amazed that other troopers passed by, or that the traffic stop location, plate and info was not put out on the radio at stop initiation - that was the drill even back what in the 70's when I was a cop.

Even if someone hadn't asked for cover, one would never ever pass by a stop unless you were on an emergency call, even then you would expect the officer to hold up 4 fingers to tell you we was fine.

Easy to Monday morning quarterback - - and there's a LOT of things on that stop, mostly involving lack of control of the suspect, allowing him to wander around, follow the officer back to his car *behind* the officer!

Not saying this could have been prevented in the end, but there's a lot of room for what ifs.
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Bumper, you are spot on!

But, as you well know, troopers are not familiar enough with handling felons or treating motorists in an other than friendly, "How ya'll doin'?" manner. They just do not routinely handle domestics or other crime-like calls. They're mostly traffic cops. Not demeaning their work but we all have our place in the multi-faceted world of policing.

During a Memorial Day weekend "hip-hop" takeover of our city a few years ago we called for the assistance of some FHP personnel to assist in covering our patrol function as we ran call to call ("Man with a gun.") I drove by a trooper who was sitting in his car with a "suspect" sitting next to him in the front seat. I U-turned and pulled up behind him and got out and first told the guy to get out of the car at which time I patted him down. This was a known gang-banger. From beneath his untucked football jersey I retrieved what turned out to be a stolen nickel plated S&W .38 snubby with the hammer burnished off so as not to snag on clothing. The trooper almost passed out when he saw the gun. I admonished the trooper to never, ever let someone he's stopping to sit alongside him in his car.
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Interesting thread and to think I just bought a 357mag when I already had a 22lr conversion for my P938

Memorial Day weekend in Miami is interesting to say the least. I remember hearing about many incidents that weekend the years I lived in Miami.
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