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Old 01-07-2017, 10:09 AM   #1
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Help me understand the .22 LR

I need some of you statistics guys to help me with this.

I am doing some research on a shooting involving a .22 LR handgun.

So, we always hear that more people are killed with .22s than any other caliber combined.

First, what my findings are thus far: .22 LR is the second most deadly caliber behind the .357

Second: the .22 LR is the third least incapacitating caliber.

How can we reconcile the above conflicting data?

Based on the first stat, can it still stand that the .22 has killed more people than any other caliber combined?

If true, can someone show me a study that quantifies the .22 caliber death rate as compared to other calibers in terms of the numbers of people shot?

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Old 01-07-2017, 10:18 AM   #2
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Here's a good study by Greg Ellefritz:

https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/alte...stopping-power
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I need some of you statistics guys to help me with this.

I am doing some research on a shooting involving a .22 LR handgun.

So, we always here that more people are killed with .22s than any other caliber combined.

First, what my findings are thus far: .22 LR is the second most deadly caliber behind the .357

Second: the .22 LR is the third least incapacitating caliber.

How can we reconcile the above conflicting data?

Based on the first stat, can it still stand that the .22 has killed more people than any other caliber combined?

If true, can someone show me a study that quantifies the .22 caliber death rate as compared to other calibers in terms of the numbers of people shot?
FBI has stats showing the 22 and 25 caliber kill more next to the shotgun. Makes sense. The 22/25 bullets get in and ping around making it more difficult to find. And it causes more internal damage flying around in the body.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:27 PM   #4
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I just figured .22lr platforms were cheap, readily available and often easy to hide. Perfect combo for the devils hands.
Get enough out there are someone's bound to get dead.
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Old 01-07-2017, 12:51 PM   #5
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This ^^^^

But there's no denying the insidiousness of the stealthy slow moving 22 round. It spends more time in contact with body tissue and obviously this puts the victim into some sort of shock. That, and the little light bullet bounces around in the body like the ball in a Pachinko machine gone wild, doing all manner of damage and destruction.

Due to the 22 lr's low recoil, follow on shots are faster and on target quicker. Still, common decency dictates the shooter should wait for each round to hit before firing another, no need for aggressive overkill.

With all this in mind, the FBI and most LE organizations are reflecting on their hasty and flawed decision to abandon the 40 for the 9. Clearly this was a move not far enough in the right direction. So, there will soon be a glut of 9's on the market and Ruger 22 MK IV's will be in short supply.

Hope the FBI can make this switch in a orderly fashion and that nobody tells them about Ralphie's BB-gun.
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I keep my FireFly loaded with Browning BPR 40 gr lead hollow points at home. Between them being hollow points and having a muzzle velocity of 1,435 FPS, they should be able to do a good bit of damage.
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Organised crime liked the .22 for hits. Takes close work, but is quiet, silences well.
Also as said the bullet just bounces around inside, so it is effective.
Ballistics are a little tougher as well. Deformed bullet at all.

.22s are low priced, so probably more .22s in circulation that any other caliber.
Rifles as well, so doing double duty.
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I think it has more to do with the sheer quantity of 22s out there rather than the round's inherent lethality.

Just like more people are ticketed for speeding in Fords than in Lamborghinis.
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Just like more people are ticketed for speeding in Fords than in Lamborghinis.
So true, and totally unfair.
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An example of a .22 non lethal performance

Back before dirt

went out on a call, was with the evidence tech at this time, (now called CSI)

report that victim had been shot in the head with a .22, speak to victim on scene (shouldn't he be dead), oh well, dispatch is

get to the house, victim sitting at kitchen table, apparently he was shot in the right temple, and the bullet skidded across his forehead, and came out the other side, picked it up for analysis

So hope that explains some of the confusion. the .22 can kill or do very little damage, and it doesn't really make a difference where the shot placement is.

In another example, rancher kept some horses by my place for some years, had to put some down, used a .22, right to the head and no more horse.

So what does any of this mean, who knows, horse head much thicker and harder than human

I personally would not use a .22 for defense, the round is too unpredictable. IT may or it may not, no way to know until your life depends on it.

So Pat, I guess the stats are correct, deadly but not
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A surgeon I knew some years ago spoke about this. He said when shot in the stomach area, the damage caused from the fragmentation of the 22 usually meant a large portion of the gut would be removed. Sooner or later they would die if not treated.
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Grandpa always killed his hogs with a .22 short. He would shoot them after slopping them, between the eyes.
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A surgeon I knew some years ago spoke about this. He said when shot in the stomach area, the damage caused from the fragmentation of the 22 usually meant a large portion of the gut would be removed. Sooner or later they would die if not treated.
Exactly, it is very unpredictable, stomach wounds are usually fatal anyway, from most any caliber, but the .22 does bounce around quite a bit.

but a close range head shot, and nothing, and then the next time, fatal, not reliable for defense.
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Grandpa always killed his hogs with a .22 short. He would shoot them after slopping them, between the eyes.
There are videos out there of guys hunting hogs with air 177 air rifles. One shot between the eyes and they flop right over. So I guess when shot by anything more than a BB gun (which could put your eye out), any well placed shot will do the job.

I will definitely stick to something more substantial than 22 for self defense though.
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Exactly, it is very unpredictable, stomach wounds are usually fatal anyway, from most any caliber, but the .22 does bounce around quite a bit.
but a close range head shot, and nothing, and then the next time, fatal, not reliable for defense.
All safety rules were ignored in this incident, this was no accident.
I remember an incident when I was still in elementary school when one of the kid's was shot in the head by a 22. The story was they were hunting and the rifle was laid in the seat of the truck. The doors were open and the kid was standing in front of the rifle. The dog jumped in the truck and it's paw must have pulled the trigger. The bullet entered the kids head between the scalp and skull and traveled a short distance around his skull. He survived the incident and as far as I remember he had a concussion afterward.
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