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Old 01-09-2017, 08:07 PM   #16
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I also own the Legion SAO and love it, the Legion in 229 is next up but will say my 225A is a very sweet single stack!
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:59 AM   #17
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To let you guys know i also own two 1911s both colts a combat elite and a gold cup. I also have a little ruger lc9s as a warm weather carry. just looking to add some Nice handguns to the stable. Have a CZ Shadow Target available locally but its at 1200 bucks not sure were pricing on these normally sets used. I know the entire used gun market appears to be in the tank?
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i shoot stuff way hotter than 40 quite often its not recoil. I just dont see the need for the round. 9mm +p with good projectiles is gonna stop a man just as good. Its cheaper and guns can be smaller and lighter. The 45acp while i love my 1911s that rounds a dinosaur. I shoot a lot of rifles to, 300 win mag fairly often so not real muzzle blast or recoil sensitive.
Okay, your opinion, I see the need for both. The 9 is not up to the 40 in energy. The projectile improvements that made the 9 acceptable to the FBI again, were applied to other calibers besides the 9, including the sometimes maligned 40. The reasons the FBI switched to 40 in the first place, were not entirely negated by projectile design - - then again, the reasons they wimped out and switched back to the 9 remain valid as well. You're call.

If I were so unfortunate as to be in a gunfight, and I had my choice between 9 and 40, I'll take the 40 please. If I was carrying my 9, that's what I'd use and be happy with (and I do carry 9 sometimes). Still, *my* preference will remain 40.
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The 9 is not up to the 40 in energy.
This isn't entirely true. The fact is the .40 doesn't create enough of an advantage over the 9mm or the .45ACP to determine it is any better or worse. These are scientific facts. Yes, there are differences, but no discernible differences to distinguish the rounds.

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The projectile improvements that made the 9 acceptable to the FBI again, were applied to other calibers besides the 9, including the sometimes maligned 40.
Some truth to this; however, more improvements have been made to the 9mm than the .40 simply b/c there was more room to make improvements. Today, the 9mm is performing on the same field as the .40, and it exceeds it in many circumstances. Again, this has been proven.

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The reasons the FBI switched to 40 in the first place, were not entirely negated by projectile design - - then again, the reasons they wimped out and switched back to the 9 remain valid as well.
First, the FBI didn't go to the .40 from the 9mm. It went to the 10mm, but the knee-jerk reaction and decision to go to the 10mm was foolish. The .40 was born from the failure of that decision, and it has served admirably. It just wasn't needed. Nor was the 10mm, but both have made their own niche in the world now, so neither will go away. That said, again, neither is needed.

The 9mm and .45ACP more than cover any need anyone could ever have for a pistol, and that is why the 9mm is making a comeback. There is nothing about the decision to return to it that is wimpy. There is a reason the entire SOCOM community chooses to use it as a primary round, and this after running the .40. No one needs a .40 or 10mm. Nothing wrong with wanting them, but they are definitely not needed.
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The 45acp while i love my 1911s that rounds a dinosaur.
Perhaps you're forgetting the 9mm was designed before the 45 ACP?
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I mostly carry 9mm but enjoy shooting .45 more. I do carry .45 in Winter because of the possibility of a hollowpoint getting plugged up with material with extra layers et al. So if you're ultimately going to be firing round-nose, then it's nice to up size of the bullet.

My home defense/bedside gun, however, is a .40......the HK USP, and that was because I like having both double-action first shot AND a manual safety in case I'm suddenly awoken and still a bit out of it while getting a gun.

But yeah, these days a 9mm is plenty capable of defending your life just fine as long as you do your part.
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I love my Beretta M9 as much as SIGs
I've always thought the M9 was a sexy gun. I like 'em! A little large for conceal carry, but many do it. My only gripe is the slide mounted safety, but with the conversion kits, it can be made a decocker only, so problem solved for personal tastes. I wouldn't back up from carrying one.
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I mostly carry 9mm but enjoy shooting .45 more. I do carry .45 in Winter because of the possibility of a hollowpoint getting plugged up with material with extra layers et al. So if you're ultimately going to be firing round-nose, then it's nice to up size of the bullet.

My home defense/bedside gun, however, is a .40......the HK USP, and that was because I like having both double-action first shot AND a manual safety in case I'm suddenly awoken and still a bit out of it while getting a gun.

But yeah, these days a 9mm is plenty capable of defending your life just fine as long as you do your part.
Just curious, but why did you choose the .40 for your defense/bedside gun? I get the HK USP for the reason you stated, it's a fine choice, but that really didn't explain choice of caliber to me. Nothing wrong with the .40, IMO, just curious why you chose it over a 9mm or 45. I love the 45ACP also...hellova round.
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Just curious, but why did you choose the .40 for your defense/bedside gun? I get the HK USP for the reason you stated, it's a fine choice, but that really didn't explain choice of caliber to me. Nothing wrong with the .40, IMO, just curious why you chose it over a 9mm or 45. I love the 45ACP also...hellova round.
That's kind of the point, in the choice for HD was more about the gun than the caliber. But going back, I wanted to get A .40 caliber pistol just to have one (ammo panic shortages, deals on .40, etc), but the format of the gun just lent itself nicely to that need. I like its combo of shootability and safety...aside from a 1911, it's the only pistol I have that has a manual safety, which I wouldn't want for carry but for HD and again, those moments of grogginess, I like having it.

So yeah, chose the gun itself, the caliber is just what it happens to be, if that makes sense. Before the USP it was a P220 in .45, as I a least wanted a double-action and liked the full size of the format. The USP just added one more thing (and some more rounds, which is nice). If the USP was in 9mm, I'd still chose it for the role.
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That's kind of the point, in the choice for HD was more about the gun than the caliber. But going back, I wanted to get A .40 caliber pistol just to have one (ammo panic shortages, deals on .40, etc), but the format of the gun just lent itself nicely to that need. I like its combo of shootability and safety...aside from a 1911, it's the only pistol I have that has a manual safety, which I wouldn't want for carry but for HD and again, those moments of grogginess, I like having it.

So yeah, chose the gun itself, the caliber is just what it happens to be, if that makes sense. Before the USP it was a P220 in .45, as I a least wanted a double-action and liked the full size of the format. The USP just added one more thing (and some more rounds, which is nice). If the USP was in 9mm, I'd still chose it for the role.
Right, I got the choice of the platform, was just curious about the caliber, but I get what you're saying. I wouldn't hesitate to use any of the three discussed here. I have just committed to the 9mm, so that's what I run. I have also considered a DA/SA platform, but not just for HD. I'm of the mindset that I want my EDC to be my primary HD gun as well simply b/c of the consistency in platform. That subconscious cortex will go one way or the other under pressure, and I want to eliminate any chance of it going the wrong way. LOL
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Right, I got the choice of the platform, was just curious about the caliber, but I get what you're saying. I wouldn't hesitate to use any of the three discussed here. I have just committed to the 9mm, so that's what I run. I have also considered a DA/SA platform, but not just for HD. I'm of the mindset that I want my EDC to be my primary HD gun as well simply b/c of the consistency in platform. That subconscious cortex will go one way or the other under pressure, and I want to eliminate any chance of it going the wrong way. LOL
Yup, I have also come to appreciate DA/SA pistols for carry/personal defense moreso over the years....ones that have a DA that I like or can get good with, at least. The DA on an HK45C was horrible which is why I sold it. My Sigs are nice and so is the DA on my CZ P-07, which makes a fine carry gun.

But agreed, regarding familiarity, as I've kept all my carry guns striker-fired for many years up to now. But circling back to caliber, I'm considering switching my 9mm P320C for a newly acquired Glock 30 because they basically carry/conceal the same (the Glock maybe even a bit better), and since I'm in CT I can only legally carry 10-rd magazines anyway.
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I'm considering switching my 9mm P320C for a newly acquired Glock 30 because they basically carry/conceal the same (the Glock maybe even a bit better), and since I'm in CT I can only legally carry 10-rd magazines anyway.
I've looked at this gun as well. The ONLY thing that has kept me from it is the fact that I can carry more than 10 rounds, so I like having more bullets to stay in the fight with IF I have to. I do like the 30 b/c they shoot so so smoothly, and who doesn't like a 45!
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I've looked at this gun as well. The ONLY thing that has kept me from it is the fact that I can carry more than 10 rounds, so I like having more bullets to stay in the fight with IF I have to. I do like the 30 b/c they shoot so so smoothly, and who doesn't like a 45!
Only thing is that it's a bit redundant because my Winter carry is an M&P45C, which I chose over the Glock 30 because I can work it better with gloves on than any Glock...and it's even more compact than the G30 so I might as well just carry that when it's not as cold anyway. So I really had no reason to get the G30, aside for just really liking it as a gun and shooting great with it. Weird how thigs work out.
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