Saint...Colt...Bcm - Page 4 - SIG Talk
SIG Talk Gun Forum

Saint...Colt...Bcm

This is a discussion on Saint...Colt...Bcm within the Guns forums, part of the Gun Forum category; Originally Posted by CodeSection Came across a very detailed video on building an AR-15..... still watching. While calling around searching for a BCM, I happened ...


Go Back   SIG Talk > Gun Forum > Guns


Guns Gun Talk - For all gun topics and discussions

Like Tree31Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-17-2017, 04:18 PM   #46
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
 
Czechvar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 612
Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeSection View Post
Came across a very detailed video on building an AR-15..... still watching.

While calling around searching for a BCM, I happened to call a LGS that it's sister company is Sionics Weapon Systems. After some research, I see they supply many PDs and SDs their AR-15.

Does anyone own a Sionic? They use NP3 coating on their BCG. I read a lot of positive posts and articles on NP3 stating it is superior to chrome lining. So, if that is true, how come BCM and DD doesn't use it?
The special coatings don't really do much, and sometimes they fail and flake off. It's cool looking, but not really any better. The one thing they do well is cleaning, much easier to clean...not much more than just wiping them off.

BCM and DD BCGs are top tier and they don't need to add special coatings to sell. BCM would charge $270 instead of $170 if they coated them.

Last edited by Czechvar; 04-17-2017 at 04:21 PM.
Czechvar is online now  
Register

Welcome to the SIG Talk Forum dedicated to SIG Sauer Pistols and SIG Sauer Rifles.

We welcome everyone and the community is free to join so register today and become part of the SIG Talk Forum!

Old 04-17-2017, 05:37 PM   #47
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
 
animalhd1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: The Hollar
Posts: 1,035
Quote:
Originally Posted by Czechvar View Post
The special coatings don't really do much, and sometimes they fail and flake off. It's cool looking, but not really any better. The one thing they do well is cleaning, much easier to clean...not much more than just wiping them off.

BCM and DD BCGs are top tier and they don't need to add special coatings to sell. BCM would charge $270 instead of $170 if they coated them.
To be clear on this, BCM, Colt, DD BCGs are parkerized per the TDP. That coating has worked just fine for decades.
animalhd1 is offline  
Old 04-20-2017, 08:40 PM   #48
Senior Member
 
CodeSection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 208
Disillusioned....confused

I have been exchanging emails with BCM since they are not accepting phone calls. They have been helpful in answering my questions and educating.

However, their latest answer to my latest email questioning why there were various models of the same gun (BCM RECCE-16 KMR-A 750-790 vs BCM RECCE-16 KMR-A BFH GOVT 5.56 750-790) took me by surprise. Their response was...

"Placing one of our upper receiver groups onto one of our lower receiver groups is completely acceptable. This gives our dealers and distributors the ability to offer different complete rifle configurations that we do not currently ship out as complete rifles. They can order a complete upper receiver group configuration and use it in conjunction with a lower receiver group to offer as a complete weapon system to a customer that may not want to purchase the upper and lower individually."

So, is this a regular practice in the industry that a rifle ordered could be assembled by the dealer you ordered from or be assembled by the distributor and not from the company itself? It just doesn't sound right and maybe a little misleading for the consumer.

I realize there are other industries (beer, soda, ec.) that have distributions centers that "make" the end product. But rifles, really?

At this point, I am disillusioned or maybe I was just ignorant to the industry and their standards.

Can anyone confirm this is normal with all companies?

Last edited by CodeSection; 04-20-2017 at 08:49 PM.
CodeSection is online now  
 
Old 04-20-2017, 11:40 PM   #49
Senior Member
 
CodeSection's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Arizona
Posts: 208
Well, I guess I have a lot to learn. For some reason, I thought BCM test fired every assembled rifle as well as check for a tight fit. I found that dealers and distributors do not test fire the rifles they assemble nor do they disclose they are assembling the rifle configuration that may be listed on their website or on GunBroker. Which by the sounds of it is no big deal....

Also, I found a video made a couple of years ago with Larry Vickers interviewing Paul Buffoni and at the 3:15 mark it shows the uppers being test fired. https://youtu.be/JPLRUZbK_6I

So I wonder if some of BCM vendors are better than others on trying to find a tight fit? Any recommendations on BCM vendor list?

BCM® Rifle Company
CodeSection is online now  
Old 04-21-2017, 03:38 AM   #50
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
 
animalhd1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: The Hollar
Posts: 1,035
Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeSection View Post
Well, I guess I have a lot to learn. For some reason, I thought BCM test fired every assembled rifle as well as check for a tight fit. I found that dealers and distributors do not test fire the rifles they assemble nor do they disclose they are assembling the rifle configuration that may be listed on their website or on GunBroker. Which by the sounds of it is no big deal....

Also, I found a video made a couple of years ago with Larry Vickers interviewing Paul Buffoni and at the 3:15 mark it shows the uppers being test fired. https://youtu.be/JPLRUZbK_6I

So I wonder if some of BCM vendors are better than others on trying to find a tight fit? Any recommendations on BCM vendor list?

BCM® Rifle Company
With the many variations BCM offers and the way the end consumers swap parts around, it just wouldn't make sense for them to ship every possible configuration as complete rifles. Every upper I've seen come from them has shown evidence of test firing. As far as "tight fit" goes, it has no effect on function and some play between receivers is actually designed into the weapon. If you stick with BCM or other reputable company for the upper and lower it will fit fine. Do a google search to educate further on that subject. You can save $100-$150 buying the upper and lower separately because you save the excise tax that is slapped on a complete firearm.
Czechvar likes this.
animalhd1 is offline  
Old 04-21-2017, 06:33 AM   #51
Senior Member
 
Sigarms228's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Northeast Illinois too close to Chicago
Posts: 2,647
Got an email from Grabagun. They are selling Colt 6920 with Magpul furniture for $849.

Colt Firearms LE6920 M4 Carbine MPS Black .223 / 5.56 NATO 16.1-inch 30 Rd Magpul Furniture
Sigarms228 is online now  
Old 04-21-2017, 08:44 AM   #52
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
 
Czechvar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 612
Below is a list of parts on an AR I built. Parts are all MilSpec and fit perfectly, with just slight play in the upper/lower receiver, which I eliminated with a little #7 O-ring. This is a pretty nice AR, but of course it wasn't test fired. That's the great thing about MilSpec parts, they are all designed to fit. However, I am reasonably certain that FNH test fires the Upper Assemblies before they leave the factory...and I'm sure BCM does too. They have to make sure the Gas System is functional.

DD Omega Rail $230
PSA FNH CHF Upper/Barrel $310
Magpul CTR Stock $54
BCM BCG $169
KAC Rear Sight $200
Spikes Crusader Lower $90
Geissele SD-C Trigger $215
Lower kit $35
Tubb Flat Coil Spring $27
Magpul MIAD Grip $55
animalhd1 likes this.
Czechvar is online now  
Old 04-23-2017, 06:15 AM   #53
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
 
animalhd1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: The Hollar
Posts: 1,035
Quote:
Originally Posted by Czechvar View Post
Below is a list of parts on an AR I built. Parts are all MilSpec and fit perfectly, with just slight play in the upper/lower receiver, which I eliminated with a little #7 O-ring. This is a pretty nice AR, but of course it wasn't test fired. That's the great thing about MilSpec parts, they are all designed to fit. However, I am reasonably certain that FNH test fires the Upper Assemblies before they leave the factory...and I'm sure BCM does too. They have to make sure the Gas System is functional.

DD Omega Rail $230
PSA FNH CHF Upper/Barrel $310
Magpul CTR Stock $54
BCM BCG $169
KAC Rear Sight $200
Spikes Crusader Lower $90
Geissele SD-C Trigger $215
Lower kit $35
Tubb Flat Coil Spring $27
Magpul MIAD Grip $55
Sounds like a nice rifle! I'd have left the o-ring out but that's me. I think the o-ring or accuwedge's/ other tensioning devices do more harm than good in the long run. IMHO the only tensioning device needed is this.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_1349.JPG (1.79 MB, 1 views)
Papa Sig likes this.
animalhd1 is offline  
Old 04-23-2017, 06:34 AM   #54
Supporting Member
Supporting Member
 
animalhd1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: The Hollar
Posts: 1,035
Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeSection View Post
Well, I guess I have a lot to learn. For some reason, I thought BCM test fired every assembled rifle as well as check for a tight fit. I found that dealers and distributors do not test fire the rifles they assemble nor do they disclose they are assembling the rifle configuration that may be listed on their website or on GunBroker. Which by the sounds of it is no big deal....

Also, I found a video made a couple of years ago with Larry Vickers interviewing Paul Buffoni and at the 3:15 mark it shows the uppers being test fired. https://youtu.be/JPLRUZbK_6I

So I wonder if some of BCM vendors are better than others on trying to find a tight fit? Any recommendations on BCM vendor list?

BCM® Rifle Company
I did some further investigation for you code. I bought my BCM separately (upper and lower) both as complete assemblies. Mine has almost no play, very good fit. My buddy has 4 BCMs he also bought separately with the same result. I don't think you'll be disappointed with BCM if you go that route. Buy with confidence. I'm actually ordering another complete lower from BCM, upper will be decided later but will be complete BCM for sure.
CodeSection and Papa Sig like this.
animalhd1 is offline  
Reply

  SIG Talk > Gun Forum > Guns


Search tags for this page

bcm recce 16 kmr-a

Click on a term to search for related topics.

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar SIG Talk Discussions
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Seriously, Colt? SERIOUSLY??? GoneBallisticInAlabama Guns 30 04-14-2017 06:00 AM
Colt Lays Off Custom Shop Director, Other Employees, Company Rumored Gutted Malicious Compliance Guns 46 03-06-2017 05:59 PM
Who is Colt? A History of the Colt Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company (Video) Malicious Compliance Guns 0 02-23-2017 05:47 AM
Militaries M4 Contract to FN & Colt birdzman Guns 20 01-21-2017 07:33 AM


Top Gun Sites Top Sites List

Powered by vBulletin 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
Copyright © 2010 - 2017 SIG Talk. All rights reserved.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.SIG Talk is a SIG Sauer Firearms enthusiast's forum, but it is in no way affiliated with, nor does it represent SIG Sauer, Inc. of Exeter, NH.