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Old 01-03-2014, 01:13 PM   #1
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Remington R51 CC pistol

Will begin shipping to dealers 2/1. Roughly the same size as the P938 (with 7 rd magazine inserted), but .1" narrower. Internal hammer, grip safety, single action. The slide is good for those that can't handle a stiff spring.

I might have to look into this one as a good EDC. An MSRP of $389 is nice too. Manufacturers already have holsters ready.

Remington Announces New R-51 Pistol - The Firearm Blog
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Old 01-03-2014, 01:23 PM   #2
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Glad to see they are trying something new, but the old 51 is a heck of a lot better looking pistol.

New one looks like a squirtgun.
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it's nice looking
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it's nice looking
You must have been looking at the old 51.



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While the R51 looks interesting, and it's nice to see companies integrate into different market niches, I don't much care for it.

For one, Remington has done the same thing SIG did with marketing the M11-A1 in that Remington's chosen name associates it with a similar, but not same, gun with established legacy and persona to effectively (albeit a bit dishonestly) market it to the consumer base. If the pistol had been named anything else, this would not be a remark (maybe R9 was taken?). It may be related to the Model 51, but I feel it's design aesthetic and mechanical changes warrant a drastically different name (I will refer to it as an R51 and not a Model 51 as time goes on).

Second, it seems to be a single action only hammerless gun with only a grip safety. This does not seem like a good idea for a "pocket" style gun, as it could much more easily lead to an ND compared to guns like the P238 (single action, manual safety), or say, the XDS (safe action, grip safety and passive trigger safety). Even Kel-Tec and Kahr offerings have DAO style triggers with heavier pulls to get around this. On the same token, Glocks only have the trigger safety, but the likelihood of a grip safety of the R51s size being tapped is much greater than that of the trigger safety on a safe action gun. Personally, I don't like a pocket gun with safety features that exceed the accepted level of passivity common with todays prevalent safety features. The R51, to me, does not keep to a safe level of simple.

It's a fairly ugly gun on top of all that. I would rather carry a PPK and take the power deficit that carry something as funky as that.
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While the R51 looks interesting, and it's nice to see companies integrate into different market niches, I don't much care for it.

For one, Remington has done the same thing SIG did with marketing the M11-A1 in that Remington's chosen name associates it with a similar, but not same, gun with established legacy and persona to effectively (albeit a bit dishonestly) market it to the consumer base. If the pistol had been named anything else, this would not be a remark (maybe R9 was taken?). It may be related to the Model 51, but I feel it's design aesthetic and mechanical changes warrant a drastically different name (I will refer to it as an R51 and not a Model 51 as time goes on).

Second, it seems to be a single action only hammerless gun with only a grip safety. This does not seem like a good idea for a "pocket" style gun, as it could much more easily lead to an ND compared to guns like the P238 (single action, manual safety), or say, the XDS (safe action, grip safety and passive trigger safety). Even Kel-Tec and Kahr offerings have DAO style triggers with heavier pulls to get around this. On the same token, Glocks only have the trigger safety, but the likelihood of a grip safety of the R51s size being tapped is much greater than that of the trigger safety on a safe action gun. Personally, I don't like a pocket gun with safety features that exceed the accepted level of passivity common with todays prevalent safety features. The R51, to me, does not keep to a safe level of simple.

It's a fairly ugly gun on top of all that. I would rather carry a PPK and take the power deficit that carry something as funky as that.
I think this is a pretty fair assessment.

Looks aside, I have sort of marvelled for a long time that the grip safety has not been more commonly used, tho I agree with a SA trigger pull and no applied safety Remington might get into hot water. Especially since there are supersafe-appearing systems out that seem to avoid inaccuracy due to horrible trigger pulls.

I'd say kudos for trying something new to Remington and BIG kudos for going with a FLAT layout. As much as there are certain things I don't like about my Ruger LC9 overall it has become a favorite of mine because it is dead reliable and flat and easy to conceal. The Remington offering falls in line with that type and I think they will sell some of these pistols.

I do not like all the Buck Rogers swoops and swirls in the slide machining and really and truly would have liked to see them make it look exactly like the old 51 which I've always thought was a cool looking pistol! Especially if they are going to call the thing a 51!

One thing that might transpire with the Remington is...it may turn out to be a real tack driver. Fixed barrel pockets can be. The Makarov has got to be one of the most accurate service pistols ever made, and who knows, it this thing can give the public a very fun and accurate shooting experience, that might help sell a lot of pistols. As much as I like my Ruger, I know many people who hate them because they cannot learn to shoot them well, and the gun is not capable of sterling accuracy anyhow.

With a fixed bbl and a SA trigger, Remington might have a really accurate pistol there. Might get one myself....
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The lockup system reminds me of my old Russian SKS. But that was gas operated, whereas this uses recoil to unlock the locking block.

I like the simplicity of this design, and the fixed barrel. It has every reason to be more reliable than some of the competition.

I do wonder about the "total ownership experience". They don't talk at all about how it is taken down to be cleaned, for example.
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I do wonder about the "total ownership experience". They don't talk at all about how it is taken down to be cleaned, for example.
No, he doesn't, does he.

The article is no great literary piece, is it.

Makes me wonder if either the writer is just a bad writer or if it his experience wasn't so great. It is a unique enough design it really begs a thorough technical review, and maybe he was just pitching a generic introduction.

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I'll be getting one of these as soon as my LGS can get me one. This is exactly what I want in a CCW.
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No, he doesn't, does he.

The article is no great literary piece, is it.

Makes me wonder if either the writer is just a bad writer or if it his experience wasn't so great. It is a unique enough design it really begs a thorough technical review, and maybe he was just pitching a generic introduction.
Well, I subscribe to a motorcycle mag called "Motorcycle Consumer News". They have 2 distinct types of reviews. They call the first type "First Look", and it's kind of an initial impression. Usually it's a result of a company's structured introduction, very much like the one described here, with lots of media reps and a very fixed schedule and exposure. The other type of review is the result of having gotten their hands on a specimen, and really gotten to know it over a period of time.

I would suggest that the shortcomings of this review of this gun are not so much the fault of the reviewer as of the limited nature of his exposure. We'll start seeing better reviews when production samples get to the gun press, and they have a chance to really wring it out. Until then I'm intrigued, but not interested.
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Well, I subscribe to a motorcycle mag called "Motorcycle Consumer News". They have 2 distinct types of reviews. They call the first type "First Look", and it's kind of an initial impression. Usually it's a result of a company's structured introduction, very much like the one described here, with lots of media reps and a very fixed schedule and exposure. The other type of review is the result of having gotten their hands on a specimen, and really gotten to know it over a period of time.

I would suggest that the shortcomings of this review of this gun are not so much the fault of the reviewer as of the limited nature of his exposure. We'll start seeing better reviews when production samples get to the gun press, and they have a chance to really wring it out. Until then I'm intrigued, but not interested.
You are right about the genre of the piece.

I myself am interested, but not intrigued...

Maybe one of us will buy one of these things and do a thorough review!
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The only reason I'm really interested in this gun is that it's apparently a SINGLE-action only, unlike pretty much every single non-striker-fired pocket pistol out there. Though I do also like the way it looks, and the price is very attractive.

I find it very interesting that it's apparently a SAO, but doesn't have a thumb safety.
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I'm never one to purchase the "first model, first year", but this might make me do it. My wife is very interested so maybe she'll be our guinea pig.
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I find it very interesting that it's apparently a SAO, but doesn't have a thumb safety.
Me, too.

I think the very positive grip safety is the key.

Remington is making a break with the "Glock concept" trigger safety, decocker, and DAO systems, something more-or-less no one has done in many years.
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Forgot to mention that the lack of thumb safety also makes me pretty happy.

If this thing is reliable and accurate, I think it's gonna become VERY popular.
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