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Old 05-17-2017, 05:16 PM   #1
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Any reason not to do it: Troy Industries SPC A4 AR-15

Firstly, I searched and didn't find info on my question, so here goes. About to buy my first AR. I have been going back and forth for months between the LE6920 and the S&W M&P15T Tactical. Then I got wind of the LE6960-CCU and was instantly sold. Just as I was going to (getting the mandated corny pun out of the way) pull the trigger, the damn thing(s) disappeared from all online retailers (only 2 were in stock beforehand via gallery of guns, my guess is two lucky fellows beat me to them). I continued to look and stumbled upon the platform in the title (details here: http://worldoftroy.com/mediakit/wp-c...1/2017_SPC.pdf). This seems to check all of my wants boxes save for optics, and its priced at 855 at buds... Am I missing something?

Talk me off the ledge or push me over...

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Old 05-18-2017, 06:02 AM   #2
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Firstly, I searched and didn't find info on my question, so here goes. About to buy my first AR. I have been going back and forth for months between the LE6920 and the S&W M&P15T Tactical. Then I got wind of the LE6960-CCU and was instantly sold. Just as I was going to (getting the mandated corny pun out of the way) pull the trigger, the damn thing(s) disappeared from all online retailers (only 2 were in stock beforehand via gallery of guns, my guess is two lucky fellows beat me to them). I continued to look and stumbled upon the platform in the title (details here: http://worldoftroy.com/mediakit/wp-c...1/2017_SPC.pdf). This seems to check all of my wants boxes save for optics, and its priced at 855 at buds... Am I missing something?

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I guess it all depends on your intent, as for its purpose. Do you want a range toy, or something for serious accuracy? I'm not familiar with this particular model, but from your picture, I'm going to assume it's for accuracy. In that case, you'll need to feed it 68 grain or heavier match grade ammunition to realize its potential. You will also need to choose a scope to compliment the ranges you will be firing at, including the size of the targets.

I wish you luck on choosing the right rifle for your needs, which I am currently unaware of...
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I don't know how this one compares, but Bud's is advertising this one currently:

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...n=BGSBDA051617

I think we are going to see some spectacular sales on "black guns". The latest word is there is a huge glut of them in seller inventories. Good luck with your acquisition.
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Thanks for your reply Willard, my mother in law is from Evansville... This weapon will be a range toy/home defense toy/tool. I'm not in LE, so it won't see service in that vein. The longest indoor range that I have locally is 100 yds so accuracy to that distance would be great. When I'm back home in Louisiana every blue moon, I may be able to play around further out, but that is going to be really rare.

Basically, I've seen a number of major manufacturers use Troy accessories on mid to high priced platforms, but until I stumbled upon this I didn't know they made complete ARs. I'm curious if anyone has had a bad experience with their weapons, or the like... And if my perception of this situation, and the weapons I mentioned are comparable ARs as far as quality of components etc... From the experienced armorer's opinion, is this a good buy?

More context, this would only be the 3rd gun I've purchased... and I want to make as informed a decision as I can, is all.

@lamarw,
I just received that email from Buds... I think I'm gonna limit my variables to those presented above as this could get exhausting...
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Thanks for your reply Willard, my mother in law is from Evansville... This weapon will be a range toy/home defense toy/tool. I'm not in LE, so it won't see service in that vein. The longest indoor range that I have locally is 100 yds so accuracy to that distance would be great. When I'm back home in Louisiana every blue moon, I may be able to play around further out, but that is going to be really rare.

Basically, I've seen a number of major manufacturers use Troy accessories on mid to high priced platforms, but until I stumbled upon this I didn't know they made complete ARs. I'm curious if anyone has had a bad experience with their weapons, or the like... And if my perception of this situation, and the weapons I mentioned are comparable ARs as far as quality of components etc... From the experienced armorer's opinion, is this a good buy?

More context, this would only be the 3rd gun I've purchased... and I want to make as informed a decision as I can, is all.
As lamarw stated, there is a "glut" currently of ARs on the market. Prices will start getting lower, as supply and demand is to the point of more supply than demand. Troy is a quality manufacture of AR parts, and I imagine their assembled weapons would also be quality arms. Given you stated purpose and use, for an AR, this may be "overkill", for 100 yard use.
The free floated, probably "match grade" barrel would be wasted for your needs. I don't know where you have a 100 yard indoor range, but more power to you, as around here, I believe 25 yards/meters is about the longest "indoor" range around here. Due to the nature of iron sights, and the high height of those sights over the centerline of the rifles bore, when zeroed at 25 meters, the bullet doesn't cross line of sight again, until around 300 meters. For a 16 inch barreled carbine, a 50 meter zero crosses line of sight again around 200 meters. Choosing an optic, again for your purposes, would be better to choose a 1x-4x/6x scope with an illuminated reticle. At 1x you could use it as quick as a red dot sight, and by zooming it to its maximum magnification, with the reticle engage targets out to at least 500 meters.
With this rifles twist rate of 1 turn in 7 inches, it may not be real accurate with run of the mill 55 grain full metal jacket ammunition. Rounds that use the Barnes "Lead free" TSX style bullets would be better "balanced" for use in the quick twist rifling, as the 68 grain and heavier Hollow Point Match bullets.

If you are looking for a simple AR, to plink with, and for Home Defense, a common lower priced alternative, this would be a good start... https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearms/mp-15-sport-ii
it has a "slower" rifling twist, 1 turn in 9 inches, which will give better accuracy with common 55 grain full metal jacket ammunition. For Home Defense, you could use most any frangible 55 grain soft point ammunition, which will shoot ballistics wise the same as the full metal jacket ammunition.
Just zero it at 50 yards, and you will be ready more most anything.

I've got some "basics" myself, most I've built, but then again I've had a "head start" of at least 45 years...
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Thanks immensely for the input! Elite Shooting in Manassas VA is about the best indoor range I've seen. The have 12 25 yd lanes, 10 50 yd lanes, and 8 100 yd lanes. All of which are off a state of the art showroom. On the barrels and twist rates, the S&W that I mentioned in the OP has a 1 in 8" 5RH twist that is touted "compatible" with the full range of ammo weights. This is what I read about the 1 in 7" early on as well... Though at extremes you mention, I'd imagine the same could be said no matter the twist. Just that the 1 in 9' will be cheaper to plink with? Due to ammo availability.
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I owned a Troy Carbine for a few years. It was one of the first 500 complete rifles from Troy as a part of their ill-fated deal to produce an exclusive line for Dick's Sporting Goods. I only fired a few hundred rounds through it but had no problems. I didn't care for the Troy grip or stock, but that was a cheap & easy fix.
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I owned a Troy Carbine for a few years. It was one of the first 500 complete rifles from Troy as a part of their ill-fated deal to produce an exclusive line for Dick's Sporting Goods. I only fired a few hundred rounds through it but had no problems. I didn't care for the Troy grip or stock, but that was a cheap & easy fix.
When I was searching for reviews, I saw a lot of mentions of Dick's SG, and that explains why. Do you still own it, if not, why did you get rid of it?
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When I was searching for reviews, I saw a lot of mentions of Dick's SG, and that explains why. Do you still own it, if not, why did you get rid of it?
I no longer own it, not because I wasn't satisfied with it but because I was offered a more-than-fair amount for it and traded it towards a Benelli m4.
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Thanks immensely for the input! Elite Shooting in Manassas VA is about the best indoor range I've seen. The have 12 25 yd lanes, 10 50 yd lanes, and 8 100 yd lanes. All of which are off a state of the art showroom. On the barrels and twist rates, the S&W that I mentioned in the OP has a 1 in 8" 5RH twist that is touted "compatible" with the full range of ammo weights. This is what I read about the 1 in 7" early on as well... Though at extremes you mention, I'd imagine the same could be said no matter the twist. Just that the 1 in 9' will be cheaper to plink with? Due to ammo availability.
You are correct, in that the original AR-15 had a 1 turn in 12 inches, which was great for 55 grain ammunition. That twist rate will not likely stabilize, or spin anything much heavier to an acceptable level for decent accuracy. By the same token, the 1 in 9 inch twist will in a long enough barrel possibly stabilize a 75 grain projectile. They will normally give great accuracy with 68 or 69 grain match ammunition, if that is what you're after. The 1 in 9 twist can handle the latest NATO penetrator rounds, the 1 in 7 twist was picked, solely to stabilize the tracer round, as it was a longer projectile, to house the tracer compound in the base of the projectile. The 1 in 8 twist is seen as about perfect for the current 75 to 80 grain match bullets, for long range competition.

It's kind of like when you were a kid, and trying to emulate your favorite Quarterback. Until your hand grew large enough to get a good grasp on the football, and could give it enough spin and speed... it was hard to get that "perfect spiral", and "hit" your receiver...

The best point about an AR is its modularity. Get a well made lower assembly with a good trigger assembly, maybe start with a "plinker" upper assembly, and as your tastes change, get another upper to suit your new needs.

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Considering troy use's most of the same parts made by the same venders many others use I don't see anything special You can probably buy an equivalent AR from most AR companies and many a good deal cheaper from PSA . Or build one how you want it using know quality parts . I had a mid level s&w that looked a lot like that troy less that dog ugly stock . It was a really good rifle and more than accurate enough but a buddy was smitten by it and had to have it so I sold it and built what I really wanted .
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Firstly, thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge and experience with me. That said, I just purchased, drum roll please, a Colt LE6920-OEM2 from Tombstone Tactical online for the $648. I figured at this price, I could furnish exactly the way I wanted and not spend much more than the price to get into that Troy. I am stoked, can't wait to get this and to finish my new project! Thanks again.
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