Universal %100 background checks on all gun sales what st ye.

bearone2 · 12-21-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by trouble

Exactly, you want to keep your kids safe? Get them out of public school, period. Lashing out at the tool that was used by human hand is ignorant in the extreme. There is NO LAW that can prevent one person from killing another, period. This is just kneejerk overemotional idiocy. I had nothing to do with this, how is punishing me accomplishing anything? It doesn't, so some kids got killed, so what? Happens every day of the week in our major cities, how many kids are killed by cars daily? Don't see any protests against cars or bicycles, seriously this is so stupid.

if no law, then how do folks get charged with 1st degree murder?

txshurricane · 12-21-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bearone2

if no law, then how do folks get charged with 1st degree murder?

Operable word is "PREVENT".

But I think it's misused. There is NO GUN that can PREVENT someone from being killed, either. It's how each are used as deterrents.
If the laws were enforced consistently and were not subject to all of the loopholes and corruption of the legal system, then it would probably be a better deterrent than armed citizens.

Buck · 12-21-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sirsigalot

Sirsigalot here
In the wake of losing our children to an unstable lad willing a tool/ recurasnal device to us it had me do some soul searching. In the Sunny State of Fl, we have no universal backgrounds check on all firearm sale laws on the books. So I'm here to say I can compromise in that way. It's not much but it's something.

I am very pro-gun, pro 2nd amendment. The right to keep and bear arms is a given right by our forefathers to protect against an over reaching government. While I respect your compassionate compromise, we know that confiscation will not work (people in the US give up over 300 million guns?)and privacy to health records protect the crazies from being identified.
I thnk a background check in every state is certainly warranted, but but that will only reveal the obvious, not those flying under the radar as threats. until we learn that crazies go to "weapon" free zones and either do away with that or provide protection, this won't stop.

Siggybaby · 12-21-2012, 11:57 AM

Ditto to what others have said. Universal background checks wouldn't have stopped the psycho from getting his hands on guns. His mother obviously had very little common sense to allow him access to guns.

I shouldn't have to do a background check for a private sale. If someone seems a little 'off', I won't be selling them one of my weapons.

Sirsigalot · 12-21-2012, 05:26 PM

Sirsigalot here

Guys i think you all misunderstood me. I know universal back ground checks won't stop people from killing but it would help keep guns out of bad guys hands. I can't remember how many guns i privately sold God forbid some crazy use it in a crime. So what I'm trying to say is the next time i sell a gun i mite not sell it privately.

LongShot716 · 12-21-2012, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirsigalot

Sirsigalot here

Guys i think you all misunderstood me. I know universal back ground checks won't stop people from killing but it would help keep guns out of bad guys hands. I can't remember how many guns i privately sold God forbid some crazy use it in a crime. So what I'm trying to say is the next time i sell a gun i mite not sell it privately.

Background checks do not deter crime. Joe Blow criminal does not need to buy your guns. He already gets a steady supply: stolen weapons, weapons smuggled across the Mexican border and weapons from overseas smuggled on board freighters.

Other than NJ and MA, here in CA we have some of the most restrictive gun laws on the books and they do nothing but infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens.

Joe Blow criminal couldn't give a rat's behind about gun laws. As a matter of fact, he loves them because it only makes his job that much easier.

bearone2 · 12-21-2012, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirsigalot

Sirsigalot here

Guys i think you all misunderstood me. I know universal back ground checks won't stop people from killing but it would help keep guns out of bad guys hands. I can't remember how many guns i privately sold God forbid some crazy use it in a crime. So what I'm trying to say is the next time i sell a gun i mite not sell it privately.

it may not be called a universal background check but i don't know of any states that don't do a nics/poc-state fee, check before buying a firearm without a ccw.

Emiller3 · 01-10-2013, 08:15 PM

Background checks will normally catch known criminals, however it won't stop those who have or are being treated for mental issues from buying firearms unless congress changes HIPPA.

Longitude Zero · 01-11-2013, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Emiller3

Background checks will normally catch known criminals, however it won't stop those who have or are being treated for mental issues from buying firearms unless congress changes HIPPA.

Several Congressmen from my state are considering just this right now. To Wit that EVERYBODY who has been diagnosed with a mental illness have those records accessible to NICS.

bearone2 · 01-11-2013, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Longitude Zero

Several Congressmen from my state are considering just this right now. To Wit that EVERYBODY who has been diagnosed with a mental illness have those records accessible to NICS.

sorry, not just mental illness.

only if they are deemed to be a danger to themselves or others & not able to handle own funds, where someone else has a power-of attorney.

va notifies fbi if these conditions are met.

bearone2 · 01-11-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Siggybaby

I think it's pretty obvious that the Communists (er I mean democrats) in our gov't couldn't care less about the kids in Sandy Hook. All they care about is climbing another step to the altar of total gun bans.

Note that background checks never would have stopped Mr. Lanza from killing people. The guy actually shot his own mother in the face 4 times, then stole her guns and her car. The guy committed at least 3 felonies by the time he left her driveway.

We need to have more people institutionalized with proper controls so that we don't have husbands/wifes committing their spouses to get out of marriages like we had in the 20th century. People like Mr. Lanza have no busineess being a part of normal society. Sounds harsh but it's the truth. His actions at S.H.E.S. prove that.

did a psychologist/psychiatrist diagnose & document that he was a danger to society ?

if that doesn't happen, you can't just park 'em in an institution.

SauerSig · 01-11-2013, 09:32 AM

I am a simple guy... I still say an armed society is the only safe society and it is the only REAL way to solve anything. Its just that simple.

greyeyezz · 01-11-2013, 09:36 AM

Exactly how will background checks be enforced on private sales? There are millions of unregistered firearms out there. Impossible.

bearone2 · 01-11-2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Siggybaby

Many have said Adam Lanza wasn't right, so he should have been evaluated. He wasn't, and now we have dozens of people dead because of him.

He should've been evaluated, then institutionalized. The rest of us should not have our rights diminished because of people like him. You may feel otherwise. Then again, you may be like Adam.

shoulda, woulda coulda but it didn't happen.

i agree we shouldn't pay the price.

you're a southern retard.
how many folks you know that, "ain't right" but aren't institutionalized?

"You're correct, but think about it. Who is going to sell a firearm privately if the gov't makes it a felony to do so? Unless you were selling to a friend/family, that guy you meet in the parking lot could be with the BATFE. Then it's time for a visit to 'federal pound you in the ass prison'."

many states already incorporate ftf sales be run thru an ffl.
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Tennessee Honey · 01-11-2013, 10:04 AM

I have no issue with stricter gun laws; however, banning guns will not fix the problem. Vetteguy makes a valid point, by criminalizing gun ownership, you will only create a black market for them. Making alcohol illegal was a catalyst for the most profitable years for the Mob.

With that said, I'm ok with stricter gun laws but I doubt they will truly make an impact on individuals with bad intentions. I do wish there was a way to include medical and psychiatric information into back ground checks. That is something I believe would help.

txshurricane · 01-11-2013, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Siggybaby

Then why exactly are you "ok with stricter gun laws"?

Why are you not?

SauerSig · 01-11-2013, 11:27 AM

Because it doesn't solve anything. Chicago has proven that.

Tennessee Honey · 01-11-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Siggybaby

Then why exactly are you "ok with stricter gun laws"?

Just because I don't think they will help does not mean that they will not. My problem with gun laws is that less than 2% of guns are used in a malicious manner. So aiming gun laws at less than 2% of gun owners is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

But...

If stricter gun laws (deeper background checks, waiting periods, etc..) will keep even a few guns out of the hands of some scumbags then it might be worth considering. My problem is that most suggested changes only affect those that acquire their firearms legally (which are usually not the ones involved in the 2%).

arclight610 · 01-11-2013, 12:07 PM

I don't believe in the whole felony = life with no guns and not being able to vote in the first place. If you are safe enough to be back on the streets, you have paid your debt to society and your rights should be reinstated. However, there wouldn't be as many paroled felons in my system...

Murder = Death Penalty
Attempted Murder = Life or Death Penalty depending on circumstances
Armed Robbery = Life or Death Penalty
Rape = Death Penalty
Child Molestation = Death Penalty

txshurricane · 01-11-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by arclight610

I don't believe in the whole felony = life with no guns and not being able to vote in the first place. If you are safe enough to be back on the streets, you have paid your debt to society and your rights should be reinstated. However, there wouldn't be as many paroled felons in my system...

Murder = Death Penalty
Attempted Murder = Life or Death Penalty depending on circumstances
Armed Robbery = Life or Death Penalty
Rape = Death Penalty
Child Molestation = Death Penalty

I agree mostly, with one caveat: the justice system is rife with corruption. The Houston Crime Lab was found to be corrupt a couple of years ago, and at least one death penalty was overturned. Now the state is paying a man and his family millions of dollars on a settlement for incarcerating him for 20 years for a crime that he committed by consensus...but was unprovable because the evidence was tainted.

That one example has really decrease my faith in letting the justice system dole out true justice. The consequences for breaking the law should absolutely be reformed...but what real impact that makes on crime may be lost in the human factor.

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12-21-2012, 11:57 AM	#24
Siggybaby Supporting Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Georgia-North and East of The Big Chicken :-) Posts: 2,002	Ditto to what others have said. Universal background checks wouldn't have stopped the psycho from getting his hands on guns. His mother obviously had very little common sense to allow him access to guns. I shouldn't have to do a background check for a private sale. If someone seems a little 'off', I won't be selling them one of my weapons.

12-21-2012, 05:26 PM	#25
Sirsigalot Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Tallahassee Fl Posts: 210	Sirsigalot here Guys i think you all misunderstood me. I know universal back ground checks won't stop people from killing but it would help keep guns out of bad guys hands. I can't remember how many guns i privately sold God forbid some crazy use it in a crime. So what I'm trying to say is the next time i sell a gun i mite not sell it privately.

01-10-2013, 08:15 PM	#28
Emiller3 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 118	Background checks will normally catch known criminals, however it won't stop those who have or are being treated for mental issues from buying firearms unless congress changes HIPPA.

01-11-2013, 09:32 AM	#32
SauerSig Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 441	I am a simple guy... I still say an armed society is the only safe society and it is the only REAL way to solve anything. Its just that simple.

01-11-2013, 09:36 AM	#33
greyeyezz Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: NE OH Posts: 16	Exactly how will background checks be enforced on private sales? There are millions of unregistered firearms out there. Impossible.

01-11-2013, 10:04 AM	#35
Tennessee Honey Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Nashville TN Posts: 15	I have no issue with stricter gun laws; however, banning guns will not fix the problem. Vetteguy makes a valid point, by criminalizing gun ownership, you will only create a black market for them. Making alcohol illegal was a catalyst for the most profitable years for the Mob. With that said, I'm ok with stricter gun laws but I doubt they will truly make an impact on individuals with bad intentions. I do wish there was a way to include medical and psychiatric information into back ground checks. That is something I believe would help.

01-11-2013, 11:27 AM	#37
SauerSig Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 441	Because it doesn't solve anything. Chicago has proven that.

01-11-2013, 12:07 PM	#39
arclight610 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Illinois Posts: 390	I don't believe in the whole felony = life with no guns and not being able to vote in the first place. If you are safe enough to be back on the streets, you have paid your debt to society and your rights should be reinstated. However, there wouldn't be as many paroled felons in my system... Murder = Death Penalty Attempted Murder = Life or Death Penalty depending on circumstances Armed Robbery = Life or Death Penalty Rape = Death Penalty Child Molestation = Death Penalty