Sirsigalot

Sirsigalot here
In the wake of losing our children to an unstable lad willing a tool/ recurasnal device to us it had me do some soul searching. In the Sunny State of Fl, we have no universal backgrounds check on all firearm sale laws on the books. So I'm here to say I can compromise in that way. It's not much but it's something.

Kenny D

In order for a background check will catch mentally unstable people is to have the mental health/medical records available to the FBI without issuing a warrant for such records. The GOV would find it easier just to try and ban semi auto weapons and put a high tax on ammo.
Either way rights would be violated.
Although I agree, they can look at all my records, I have nothing to hide. A compromise has to be met to keep the innocent safe.

waubanger

The firearms in this tragedy were owned by his mother that she acquired legally...

GreyCoupe

While my heart is broken about people in the theater, at the mall, the kids in the school, I cannot imagine any effective way to resolve this situation nationwide.

--Hundreds of millions of guns are owned.
--Regulations about registering purchases will not remedy these hundreds of millions already in circulation.
--We recognized decades ago there is no effective way to identify and institutionalize crazies.
--Not only will crazies find a way, in our society they don't have to look too far to find dozens of methods to kill people.
--Instead of discovering ways to accurately identify and affordably institutionalize crazies, we are about to embark on a loud national debate about guns.

Makes ya wonder who's crazy?

bearone2

maybe not state law but you still have nics check without ccw.

Sigarms228

The problem I see is that a universal check could turn into sort of a firearm registration scheme and abused to restrict the sales of fireames for petty reasons (speeding ticket, etc). And the other question is how will it keep hell bent criminals from obtaining firearms??

The US can't even stem the flow of illegal drugs.

bearone2

known criminals won't get approved on the nics check.

buck chartowski

I suppose that there are still folks who haven't noticed that the more government is involved in something, the worse that thing becomes. Every mass shooting in 20 years has happened in a gun free-zone. Who designates gun-free zones? You guessed it: government.

These problems would solve themselves if we didn't have a media memorializing the killers and a government that supports them. Keep the government out of the issue altogether. This isn't about compromise, it's about a crazy person with a penchant for evil. That's the real issue. On the same day as the events in CT, a man in China stabbed over 30 people in a kindergarten class; not shot, stabbed, and this was a copycat emulating 2 other stabbings occurring in the last month. Once you invite the government in, they will take everything - it's what they love to do.

Let's not forget Venezuela and Honduras, both of which have made it illegal to own firearms. Their rate of deaths by firearms far, far eclipses that of the United States where there are countless millions of guns.

I don't know about Sirsigalot, but I am a citizen, not a subject.

Sgt Ed

I agree.In fla. we do have a problem in that area,just recently this county gave an individual 35 years for shooting an unarmed man trying to get back his illegally impounded car.The perp had a ccw but was a convicted felon. One would say how the hell did that happen..
In regards to the mass shootings, we as a society have to do something.Gun control is not the answer.These individuals HAVE to be identified,either by family,LEO,acquaintances,schools,doctors,pastors,o r whatever it takes to give them the help they need or whatever it takes.

Sgt Ed

Your points are exactly what I posted to sirsigalot. We do have to do something

txshurricane

On top of that, the shooter tried to buy a rifle himself but was denied: Lanza Tried to Buy Rifle Before Shooting But Was Denied - Political News Video

lgustavus81

I thought that was the case when I first heard about this myself. In all reality we are a society that is comfortable (for the most part) in an environment with weapons around us. Whether its a high powered handgun or an assault type rifle even down to a kitchen knife they are around us and the majority of people have no issues with them around and don't generally expect others that they know (i.e family members) to ever mess with them without some sort of permission or their knowledge. Now I thought he killed his mother and took her guns. I may have heard it wrong in that aspect. But she was the legal owner of the guns that he used and its kind of hard to stop someone from taking anything from you if you're already dead or incapacitated in some form or fashion. But if he had went to that school with a Micheal Meyers style butcher knife or a kitana or even a sharp piece of rusty ass steel would we be discussing regulating the sale of kitchen utensiles or oriental style swords? I don't think we would. The fact is he used guns. Now since there are so many people who are anti-gun then these incidents are just more fuel to the fire for them to say "Look! He used a gun! Let's make it near impossible for anyone else to have one in the nearest future possible!". My wife for example was 100% anti-gun up until almost a year ago you couldn't even say the word gun around her without catching an earful on how some friend of her blew his brains out because he was high and playing with a gun! I said he was F'n stupid and you can't blame the gun for his stupidity! A gun is a tool. A tool used to hunt with and provide food or to defend your property and family. Its also a piece of recreational sports equipment at times. It does not become a weapon until it is used in that manner. The same as a knife or a screwdriver (which has been used before). Just my thoughts on that.

PA28FDO

One question I've always had about the nics system is why a known felon, attempting an illegal firearm purchase, is merely turned away. Why are they not arrested on the spot ?

bearone2

possessing is a no-no but i'm not sure if attempting to buy is the same.

maybe someone in l e will chime in.

Sig228Nut

As unfortunate as the event in Connecticut obviously was, it is an inevitable consequence of living in a free society. When major events occur, politicans scramble to score political points and advance their hidden agendas. What really should be done about what happened in Connecticut? Nothing. Yes, nothing. There are no changes required. None. It is a by-product of a free society. Countless millions possessed a gun the same day and did nothing illegal with it. Contrary to what you might think, we still live in the most "free" country on Earth. With that luxury also comes the bad side. We as a people have understood that since the beginning. There is no reason to change anything.

Sgt Ed

Sounds FAIR to me. I can hear the whining already...

trouble

Exactly, you want to keep your kids safe? Get them out of public school, period. Lashing out at the tool that was used by human hand is ignorant in the extreme. There is NO LAW that can prevent one person from killing another, period. This is just kneejerk overemotional idiocy. I had nothing to do with this, how is punishing me accomplishing anything? It doesn't, so some kids got killed, so what? Happens every day of the week in our major cities, how many kids are killed by cars daily? Don't see any protests against cars or bicycles, seriously this is so stupid.

br9

I don't get the public school comment. It could have happened in a private school just as easy. the so what is kind of harsh also. I'm sure if it had been one of your kids that would not be coming out your mouth.

Sigarms228

Nor would most even try. Much cheaper for them to steal or buy stolen guns too.

Vetteguy904

precisely in the majority of these types of crimes the weapons were illegaly acquired. stricter backgrounds will not stop these events from happening. nothing will. Even if you take everyone's guns, all you will do is create a black market for them. you think Jose the gangbanger is going to give up his illegal .45?

you cannot stop these crimes but you CAN mitigate them by abolishing these "gun free zones". if one of the teachers had had a CCW, maybe only 6 of those 20 would have died.