Sgt Ed

I just listened to Obama notice of Rough Roads Ahead. He put Radical Joe in charge of the project. He will gather up Fienstien,the kook from Kansas,Brady and to hell with all others. They probably won't even let the NRA in on any discussion IF THERE IS EVEN A DISCUSSION. I look for a pack job like they did with Obamacare, or as it is Obama F k you over. One thing for sure is we are going to have to get busy..

TravestyTrav

I liked how he was extremely vague about the "other outside organizations" he was going to invite into whatever this group is going to be called. And as you said, I very seriously doubt there will even be any discussions at all. Especially with Biden in charge of it. He'll lay down the holy word that comes down from the oval office on what the group is expected to recommend, and they'll wind up recommending whatever the president wants them to. And the recommendations are pretty predictable: More gun control with no or perhaps a token amount of attention being paid to the actual problem: security at schools and other public places.

MIWildcat

Actually, ACA (healthcare reform) has some serious positive effects and I can't rally against it. There are too many positive provisions that are wildly popular with the general public.

However, I'm a bit more concerned with the gun control push going through now. I think there will be changes, but I doubt he will be able to push through such wild legislation as the control lobby would like to see.

I expect the general law abiding public will get screwed in some way, shape, or form and I'm happy for the magazines I own and what I currently possess. I don't expect any retroactive rules put in place right now.

Sgt Ed

[QUOTE=MIWildcat;50425]Actually, ACA (healthcare reform) has some serious positive effects and I can't rally against it. There are too many positive provisions that are wildly popular with the general public

Healthcare or lack of was mentioned merely for the way it was passed or better said ,rammed up our a----... The + and - of the system are another forum all together.

bearone2

good advice

MIWildcat

[QUOTE=Sgt Ed;50430]That us why I didn't get into what was good or bad about it.

I just don't see how they can push too many crazy ideas for gun control if the right people stand up. I think the real key now is educating the public and friends on why an AR-15 is not evil and why many of us possess high capacity mags.

The other important aspect is that we all do this intelligently and not threaten to go postal, which will only reinforce what anti-gun people say about us as a group.

I am fine with requiring training for those that purchase guns with no experience. I almost got capped at the range while being in a bay next to someone that was firing their brand new Hi Point--they had never held a damn gun prior and thank god Ranger Rick stepped in to provide some helpful life lessons.

This is exactly why I took the proper training for a CCW and applied prior in case something happened. I am hopeful my constant training will provide me a waiver or three.

Sgt Ed

I am not looking for ANY good for gun owners to come out of this. Joe Biden was directed to come up with a way to implement Obamas wants. Plain and simple. Easy job,Biden wrote the first magazine and "assault" ban.They control the senate and definitely have enough votes there for The Glorious Leader. They do not have to invite NRA or anyone else. Remember,he wants this over and done with by January. It will be too,sorry to say...

Sigarms228

Join or renew your NRA membership if it lapsed.

The house still has a fairly decent majority of republicans and there are a lot of democrats who will not vote for any AWB remembering what happened last time. The house members are up for election every two years.

Any effort to pass an AWB is going to be a huge uphill battle.

Still join the NRA and do what you can to educate others as to what the real agenda is and the facts about what an assault weapon is and how thousands of other gun control laws have failed to do anything but restrict our freedoms. What obama is proposing will make not an iota of difference with gun violence in the ghettos of Chicago, DC, etc that already have the strictest gun laws in the nation. It also would have made no difference in the Fort Hood massacre that happened because other military personnel were not allowed to carry their side arms and there were red flags all over the place about the perp but fears of racism never allowed them to be acted upon.

jb2925

Amen!!!!!!!

IronKnight1991

The talk is easier than making a gun ban. Remember there are more gun owners now than five years ago. Most of use are CCL. Look at all the women who are gun owners now. This ain't gonna be no walk in the park, but all those other politicians got to remember if they go against the gun owners they will get voted out the next time around,

Vetteguy904

fortunately there are enough 2nd amendment supporters that i should not clear the house. the only possible way for them to get it is to tie it to some sort of fical reform policy. any sort of EO would immediatly be chalengable in court, and the red states would sue just as they did Obamacare. even Roberts could not side with Obama on a clear violation of the constution

Longitude Zero

What gives me a bit of satisfaction is the direction the localities and states have been moving over the last several years towards lessening restrictions.

bearone2

i hope you're right but his un end-run seems to have no oversight.

nick

well ya better get ready to have it shoved up your ass sorry to be so pointed but WAKE UP people and start contacting your reps and tell them they better use common sense !! I can say this because we out here in az have already been one of obamas exc orders he signed, in making it illigal to purchase more than 4 rifles (LONG GUNS) not assault types in a month he shoved that up our butts along with txs and new mexico so if ya don't think he will do it you are very wrong !!

Emiller3

Well, if Obama really wanted a gun ban he would have done so in 2009 when he had a Democratic house & senate. However I fear he may be forced by the media and others to do such now.

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Sigarms228

He has always wanted to do such since his days in Illinois proved he was a big time gun hater and advocated bans then.

However he is now in a postition where he does not need to worry about running for election again and that is why he waited.

LongShot716

Obama is not king and can't do crap. He can flap his gums all he wants but there won't be another ban. The libtard Dems don't have the votes in the house and any bill that try's to ban firearms will die there. They might pass some other legislation strengthening the process to purchase a firearm, stronger background checks and such but not another AWB. That dog don't hunt....pun intended.

Nev

I'm likely to get flamed here, but here goes: I totally consider myself a liberal.

I don't hunt but have much fun with my Saiga AK-47 7.62x39, Sig 229 .40, Ruger 9mm, Remington 12 gauge, Henry .22 lever action rifle, high capacity mags, among others.

I don't like anybody telling me what I can do how I can behave or what I can own. I'm liberal. Do what you want. I'm pro drugs, pro choice, pro guns, pro marry who you want, etc., just don't bother me. I also loath both Repubs and Dems equally.

I've see more than enough Obama hate on the gun issue since he was elected. My question: what EXACTLY has Obama done that is anti-gun BEFORE the recent tragedies? Up until now, I don't know what or anything his administration has done policy or otherwise that threatens our rights. It's been totally off his radar. Hell, most "liberals" hate him for this. His hand is being forced here, the same as any Repub president's hand would be forced after recent events. Don't get me wrong, I'm considering purchases today based on concerns of what be coming, but I do not understand what the Obama hate is based on. Before the recent events, what threat did he pose?

Flame away...

Yeti

I am not going to flame you. That is why we have freedom of speech! In my own way I too am a liberal. But, I am also a conservative. But I was also raised with a gun in my hand and history in my ear.

The potus came out of a political arena that was worse than CA, IL. I do not believe for a minute that he got into the White House with out gun control very closely held to his breast. His opinions regarding international gun control, via the UN, are pretty clear. What he doesn't seem to understand is how and why the US was founded. The Second Amendment is written to protect freedom of Speach and our rights against an oppressive government. Currently our government is considering oppressing our Second Amendment rights thereby becoming oppressive.

This is exactly why the Constitution was written. To protect against an oppressive government. That is who and why we are Americans.

Lets face it, throughout history psychopaths have murdered. Throughout the future psychopaths will continue to murder. Firearms have nothing to do with the issues at hand. Fear in the government and media has everything to do with it.

Jmho