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Old 12-31-2012, 07:47 AM   #1
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Looking for gun ban wisdom

So........ we all know what happened and what is presumed to transpire. We can all see the knee jerk hysteria surrounding a proposed ban.

I just started shooting and collecting a few years ago. What I would like to know from some of the more seasoned firearms enthusiasts is what can we expect based on the outcome of the last gun ban. I understand that there are other variables present with the proposed legislation as compared to the last Bill, but what happened the last time around?

Did the initial hysteria subside ( $600 guns selling for $1,800) ?

How long did it take?

How long before replacement parts were available again?

Where did gun and parts (mags, BCG's, barrels, etc.) prices settle , relative to original retail?

Should I be picking up everything I can get my hands on and paying inflated hysteria prices?

Just looking for some logical perspective into the craziness.
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Write your congress reps and senators. The best way to deal with the ban is to prevent it.
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there's a thread here that can do that by filling out some info.
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So........ we all know what happened and what is presumed to transpire. We can all see the knee jerk hysteria surrounding a proposed ban.

I just started shooting and collecting a few years ago. What I would like to know from some of the more seasoned firearms enthusiasts is what can we expect based on the outcome of the last gun ban. I understand that there are other variables present with the proposed legislation as compared to the last Bill, but what happened the last time around?

Did the initial hysteria subside ( $600 guns selling for $1,800) ?

How long did it take?

How long before replacement parts were available again?

Where did gun and parts (mags, BCG's, barrels, etc.) prices settle , relative to original retail?

Should I be picking up everything I can get my hands on and paying inflated hysteria prices?

Just looking for some logical perspective into the craziness.
Preban weapons commanded a premium throughout the ban years.

I don't remember when parts availability returned, but two years after the ban was in place I was able to get BCG and barrels without issue.

As for what you should be doing now, thats really anyones guess as no one really knows what will happen.

No easy answer...
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:43 AM   #5
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There will be no ban. EDUCATE YOURSELF. The variables that existed in '94 do NOT exist today. There will be no shortage and the panic-inflated prices of today will be back to pre December 14 prices by April.

Buy nothing now. Just wait.
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I feel there will be no ban, unless there are some illegal shenanigans pulled. I will be buying up some AR15's for rock bottom prices this summer though.
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I think they will try to ban a few token things so they can say they did something. I think where they are going to hit us is with taxes and fees. We are going to end up paying more for a day on the range.
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With this administration "illegal shenanigans" is what I expect. This president seems to feel the ends justify the means. He knows what's best for us and he'll get whatever he wants by any means necessary.

There are still some reasonable prices out there if you search. I'll bet we at least get the old AWB passed again.
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Jeeeze you people! Taxes and fees? Gimme a friggin break!

Just stop it already. These wild, unsubstantiated suppositions do no one any good. Give it a rest already.

The house is controlled by the GOP. There aren't enough votes to get an AWB past the House. They can't impose punitive tax on ammo...it's unconstitutional.

They'll more than likely strengthen background checks, require long gun registration, address the issue of mental illness in the home of registered gun owners, blah, blah, blah...but there will be no AWB.
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Odds are there will be some type of token ban. I remember the first time they talked about an AWB in California, and we all thought they won't do anything. It started with a mall shooting and a school shooting. Next thing we knew we were limited on the number of rounds in the magazines, and if you had an AR-15 you had to register it with the state. As far as the fees and taxes, they can get those through higher fees on background checks / DROS, licenses and fees to produce ammo, higher fees on weapons to import or produce. and who knows what else they can dream up.
I hope they don't have another AWB, and that all this settles down without the cost going up. It is better to be ready, then to stand around like we did in the early 90's and say they won't do it. Bans don't work, that just keeps the weapons in the hands of those who are buying the weapons on the street.
We need to limit who has access to our firearms in the home, secure our weapons so others can't take them, gun control starts in the home with education and respect, and by standing together as gun owners. The shootings that happened over the last month didn't happen, because the gun owner mentally lost it, it was those they trusted who took advantage of that trust.
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I hope Obama and them aren't reading my posts, I maybe giving them ideas. :-)
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Thanks for your replies. And keep them coming. I feel that if more people have specific info from others that have already experienced this scenario, that we wouldn't have the panic we are seeing of late. I think everybody is just fearful of the same kind of cram down we had with Obamacare under this administration.

As it stands, I have already contacted my reps, and I also believe in being prepared so I am well stocked, and wasn't planning on any irrational buying unless it was absolutely warranted. I actually found 100 rds. of .223 tonight at my local Walmart. Wasn't expecting anything, and the sales associate said he found them in the bottom of a cabinet that day and put them out. 25 cents a round. Cheap Russian crap, but better than nothing, and at least I can justify a trip to the range sometime soon.

If things keep going the way they are, maybe I can trade a stripped lower for an ACOG. but I would rather things settled to normal, and I could just go shoot.
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I'm gonna go find some more copper, brass, and lead...
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Having said all of that, no one really knows what the libs may try to push through. Keep in mind that the AWB was only passed because we had Billy Joe Ray Bob Clinton in the White House, and a demoncratically-controlled House AND Senate.

Our biggest enemy resides in the White House and whether or not he will change policy via the 1934 NFA and classify more rifles, etc. as "Destructive Devices".
And even with a libtard controlled House and Senate, the '94 AWB barely squeeked by.
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Obamacare is now the law of the land...I don't take them lightly...
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Here in California it was the state that zapped us not the federal goverment. There are a lot of things that we can't enjoy, because they aren't on the "List". The list wasn't a banned firearms list. It was a list of guns that could be sold in the state, because the gun makers paid a fee to have their gun put on the list. California has some of the toughest gun control laws in the country, but that doesn't slow down the illegal firearms sold on the street.
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& never will, the bad guys will always be armed.
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I won't say that there isn't going to be a ban, but this time I'm seeing things that did not exist before. I'm seeing the news reporting that polls are showing that an assault rifle ban will not prevent another incident and the news interviewing people saying that an assault rifle ban is not going to solve anything, they need to do something with the people doing the crimes.
That's promising to me... They may not say it, but I think deep down inside they all know that a ban will not stop another incident.
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Sadly the effectiveness of the Clinton "AWB" has no bearing on the current push. This has nothing to do with effectiveness and everything to do with pushing an agenda and "feeling" better. They will "feel" better if they can make any kind false claim that they saved a life by instituting a restriction. When we fight back and point out how ineffective the Clinton ban was they will say it was our fault it failed because we didn't allow it to go far enough.
Bans are being pushed hard at the state level also and this will be used on a national level to "prove" support far a national ban.

We are in for a fight regardless of the makeup of the House and Senate. We must not allow ANY compromise. That is a very slippery slope.

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Sadly the effectiveness of the Clinton "AWB" has no bearing on the current push. This has nothing to do with effectiveness and everything to do with pushing an agenda and "feeling" better. They will "feel" better if they can make any kind false claim that they saved a life by instituting a restriction. When we fight back and point out how ineffective the Clinton ban was they will say it was our fault it failed because we didn't allow it to go far enough.
Bans are being pushed hard at the state level also and this will be used on a national level to "prove" support far a national ban.

We are in for a fight regardless of the makeup of the House and Senate. We must not allow ANY compromise. That is a very slippery slope.

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This is all true, but don't forget to add that it's not just a feel-good measure. This is intended to disarm the citizens, thus keeping us from being able to follow Jefferson's wisdom in the Declaration:
"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world."

Let's also not forget this solemn warning:
"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. "
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