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Old 01-07-2017, 08:23 PM   #16
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It has a lot of goodies on it. But the finish isn't one of them.

Production started on the P229 in 1992, it was designed for the higher power of the 40 S&W, the .357 SIG came along a couple of years later. Thus most of the older SIGs you'll find for sale are in 40, some in 357 (they easily interchange with a barrel swap).

I mention this as many, myself included, have a preference for the earlier guns - up to about the mid-'00's. SIG was at the top of their game, and cost saving steps under Cohen hadn't kicked in. These guns will have no rail . . . which I think came out around 2005 IIRC.

If you want a 40 with no rail, this is still a good time to find one, even though used prices apper to have increased about $100 in the last couple of years. The LEO going to 9mm, had a glut on the market for some time. Prices for nice ones in DA/SA will now be 5 to 6 hundred with the occasional smoking good deal. DAK versions are $100 less, and unless you want DAK, skip those.

To the cost of the gun you might add $50 for short reset kit, if you want (I like it) and maybe new sights. When you're done, you'll have an irreplacable keeper. Here's one I got recently for $625 (out the door) in satin nickel - I added the SRT kit and did several bumper mods.

With apologies as I've posted this before - guess I need to take more photos

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Old 01-07-2017, 09:26 PM   #17
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The only Sig that has every feature I want and none that I personally don't need (phosphate coating - would take it if it had it for sure)... and no issues with my PVD finish. Planning on buying a P229 Legion in .40 very soon plus a stock Sig .357 SIG barrel.

Me personally... LOVE the Gray Guns/SRT trigger, love the beavertail (never liked the exaggerated longer beavertail on anything other than a 1911, love the G-10 grips, love the Sig x-ray sights (think Trijicon HDs, but with a green ring around the front sight), love the X-Five style undercut trigger guard, love the reduced controls (I have no problem reaching them - the standard controls are a little large, but won't stop me from buying more "standard" Sigs), love the rail and Legion gray color... don't think I missed anything. They are selling for just over $1,000 (certainly less than $1,100) - there is no way you can upgrade a standard model P229/P226 (new pistol) with all of the features and come in around $1,050... there are more expensive Sig models that give you less for your money!

Oh yeah, metal guide rod, 3 magazines, polished action with that adjustable Gray Guns P-SAIT / SRT trigger... on and on... bottom line, it's what you like in a pistol and how much you want to spend... for me, the value is undeniable. A good friend of mine has a MK25 with the SRT installed and now he wants the P226 Legion after using mine! Just the cost of his MK25 and the $50 to buy the SRT trigger kit (installed himself) and he almost spent as much as I did on my Legion!
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Funny how things work :-)

I have a PPQ M1 9mm, a Colt 1911 .45 Custom Shop and a Glock 40 MOS 10mm. And I love each of them, just shot all of them in the past 48h in 2 trips to the range (plus the M4 and the Mossberg shotgun).

I tried the P226 Legion SAO (9mm) last Fall and really enjoyed it so much I bought one (for the features described above: grip, SRT plus safety on SAOs). Now I am looking at buying a P229 Legion for carry... and a P226 TB Tacops for shooting steel plates because I don't like having only 8 rounds with the Colt.

I agree there are 2 schools of thoughts, buy it in a Legion package or build one like a Legion (Custom like Bumper mentioned). Either way, you will have a fantastic platform and may get another SIG lol.

By the way, my wife who was shooting .22 before and never liked a bigger gun LOVES the 226 legion, loves the trigger (what's not to like lol) and jumps in once a week to go to the range. Priceless lol.

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Sounds like "both it is". Lol do I understand that with just a barrel swap I can go from 40 to 357? Or barrel and mag?
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Sounds like "both it is". Lol do I understand that with just a barrel swap I can go from 40 to 357? Or barrel and mag?
Yes, at least the modern .357 SIG/.40 S&W model P229s/P226s, etc., use the same frame, slide and magazines. Just a barrel swap with either a Sig OEM/stock barrel of the other caliber or, as some people prefer, an aftermarket barrel (Barsto, etc.) made for your model pistol and you are shooting the other caliber.

I believe the newer mags actually say something like .40/.357 on them... I also believe there will be a slight change in POA/POI with the change in caliber with your stock sights at certain distances, but to me it's not a biggie... just change your POA when shooting the other caliber. I also noticed this on my HK VP40 with the aftermarket .357 SIG barrel.

*** Oh yeah, if you are buying the Legion at a LGS, do a thorough inspection of the finish on the pistol. I personally had no finish problems that a little oil (inside frame near muzzle) didn't fix permanently. I'd like to think that Sig corrected the finish problems that some have experienced, but for peace of mind take a very close look. Yeah, an initial inspection does not guarantee elimination of premature wear (none for me to date knock on wood!), but at least you can rule out any blatant defects if they still exist!

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I could rave about all the upgrades too, but that would just be piling on.

Let me cut to the chase -- the gun felt absolutely perfect the moment I picked it up. From there, in my lgs, I quickly went on to discover the great trigger and the incredible reset -- all on a stock gun right out of the box.

I've shot the gun a lot and from all the reading I've done, I know that even this great trigger can be improved upon. But ........ Danged if I can figure out if I need it!
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*** Oh yeah, if you are buying the Legion at a LGS, do a thorough inspection of the finish on the pistol. I personally had no finish problems that a little oil (inside frame near muzzle) didn't fix permanently. I'd like to think that Sig corrected the finish problems that some have experienced, but for peace of mind take a very close look. Yeah, an initial inspection does not guarantee elimination of premature wear (none for me to date knock on wood!), but at least you can rule out any blatant defects if they still exist!
I only found these machine marks on the barrel after I had accepted the gun at the FFL. It was covered in oil, and though I had inspected it at the FFL, I found the scratches at home when I cleaned it under better light. Sent back to Sig who will replace the barrel.
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Because you have been brain washed into believing that any weapon with a challenge coin must really be special and you'll clean a spot in your safe for this queen. Than and you love wasting money on fairy tales
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Production started on the P229 in 1992, it was designed for the higher power of the 40 S&W, the .357 SIG came along a couple of years later. Thus most of the older SIGs you'll find for sale are in 40, some in 357 (they easily interchange with a barrel swap).

I mention this as many, myself included, have a preference for the earlier guns - up to about the mid-'00's. SIG was at the top of their game, and cost saving steps under Cohen hadn't kicked in. These guns will have no rail . . . which I think came out around 2005 IIRC.

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To the cost of the gun you might add $50 for short reset kit, if you want (I like it) and maybe new sights. When you're done, you'll have an irreplacable keeper. Here's one I got recently for $625 (out the door) in satin nickel - I added the SRT kit and did several bumper mods.

With apologies as I've posted this before - guess I need to take more photos
Okay. Maybe you meant to quote someone else?
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Because you have been brain washed into believing that any weapon with a challenge coin must really be special and you'll clean a spot in your safe for this queen. Than and you love wasting money on fairy tales
Oh then I'm IN!!!
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I own two Legions (P229 357 Sig & P226 9mm) and the reason I bought them both is that that's the closest I'll ever come to owning a custom made pistol.
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I only found these machine marks on the barrel after I had accepted the gun at the FFL. It was covered in oil, and though I had inspected it at the FFL, I found the scratches at home when I cleaned it under better light. Sent back to Sig who will replace the barrel.
Why replace the barrel, the slide is what is buggered?
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So here's a question...why is the elite stainless only 9/40 but not 357 but the Legion is all three?
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I have got to say that I have been lusting over a Legion P226 SAO. However thanks to this forum I have learned an awful lot about this particular model.

The finish is a major concern for me. You are paying a lot of money (a lot to me anyhow) for a pistol. More than the standard model. The finish seems like something that you shouldn't even have to consider. We all know that the Nitron finish is top notch, period. I like/love all of the upgrades and I have read all the justifications of it being a tool. It does feel great in the hand (to me) the trigger IS great. At the end of the day though it's just like any gun. If you like it and are willing to accept the compromises of the finish, buy it.

The fraternity this is bulogna to me though. In the words of Townes Van Zandt "If you want good friends there're gonna cost ya.

Personally my question is why in the world isn't Sig making this very gun with the NITRON finish(if they do I am ignorant of it). All the goodies with a quality finish. I would pony up the money. Futhermore all the concerns about finish all over the internet would end. All we would talk about in regard to this model is how great it is.

Does anyone from Sig read these posts? Please make us a "Legion" with a quality finish.
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