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Old 02-22-2016, 07:04 AM   #16
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Well, I'm stumped about the OP's problem, and I'll look forward to hearing what the resolution is.

Thanks for the interesting post about different numbers on different sights. Had no idea about that.
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Old 02-22-2016, 07:19 AM   #17
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Well, OP, what you're seeing is exactly what 19 different Sigs I've shot so far are doing.

I don't buy the combat sight thing at all for that reason. Try sight picture #2 and you'll probably be dead on, the way every other gun manufacturer sets up their guns to shoot....and I think Sig does too, based on my experiences.
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6" high is a lot for that distance. You could be rocking your wrist back on the shot. This causes a higher poi.
I actually prefer a slight 6 o'clock hold but yours is a bit higher than any of my other Sigs.

I have to take a macro pic of my sights because the "6" and "8" stamped on the sights look very close to each other. For what it's worth, I would much rather have a gun shoot 6" high than low. You can always adjust for that and you can see what and where your bullet will impact. I would shoot it some more. As long as it's consistent after several range trips you can decide at that point if you want to adjust the sites or adjuster your shooting.


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Old 02-22-2016, 08:04 AM   #19
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Every handgun I've owned, including my P226 SAO Legion shoots dead on with sight pic #2.


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Typically, SIG uses #8 front and rear sights for both 9mm and 357 SIG. They do check POA/POI at 25 yds at the factory prior to shipping and adjust if necessary.

SIG does recommend you check POA/POI from a rest using SA trigger only, at 25 yds distance. This might help:

I dug out my copy of the Armorers Manual and it does indicate that standard sights for P-Series 229 should be Rear #8 and Front #6.

I love the graphic though and is now saved with my stuff. I thought so (25yards). I would need to change my rear sight down at least one increment if it holds true the sight is off.


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Well, OP, what you're seeing is exactly what 19 different Sigs I've shot so far are doing.

I don't buy the combat sight thing at all for that reason. Try sight picture #2 and you'll probably be dead on, the way every other gun manufacturer sets up their guns to shoot....and I think Sig does too, based on my experiences.
I've resisted changing the site picture as I've come accustomed to it. And the hits would actually need me to almost use sight picture #1... But time will tell.

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6" high is a lot for that distance. You could be rocking your wrist back on the shot. This causes a higher poi.
I actually prefer a slight 6 o'clock hold but yours is a bit higher than any of my other Sigs.

I have to take a macro pic of my sights because the "6" and "8" stamped on the sights look very close to each other. For what it's worth, I would much rather have a gun shoot 6" high than low. You can always adjust for that and you can see what and where your bullet will impact. I would shoot it some more. As long as it's consistent after several range trips you can decide at that point if you want to adjust the sites or adjuster your shooting.


Usually my Sigs are either sight pic 3 or 4 similar to my PPQ with night sights.
Sound advice and I've already decided to make another range visit or two before I have a kanipscion, Lolz.

I would say yes to the wrist break and crossed my mind while shooting, but not on every shot, two handed as well. Was consistently high, two hand slow fire, two hand - two shot timed, continuos, off hand, one handed. All about the same. I will note that one handed @.357 is interesting, lol, but still controlled. On a silhouette target with organs shown, aiming dead-on heart, hits were @ upper lungs. So although seeing the hits (high) I would much prefer the PoA to be PoI and have complete predictability of function. Without it, I will always be guessing if the gun or I am off... Lol, we know the answer there

So thank you, everyone! I will contact Sig to ask standard sight provisioning for the Legion and make another trip to the range this weekend. I will update my findings and will record the session this time. Maybe I'm just not used to such a fine piece of machinery and need to unlearn bad habits.
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I dug out my copy of the Armorers Manual and it does indicate that standard sights for P-Series 229 should be Rear #8 and Front #6.
#6/#8 is the standard configuration for 40/45. 9/357 standard is #8/#8
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#6/#8 is the standard configuration for 40/45. 9/357 standard is #8/#8
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Hmm, no I'm confused. Both my Legion 229 in 40s&w and my EliteSS 229 in 40s&w have #6 front and back.
I shot my Legion a couple inches high at 12-15yds at first, which bothered me. I was using site picture 3. I thought maybe it was the x-ray front site, or mis-matched site numbers.
Then I moved closer and tried different sight pictures. I found picture 2( top of front post) as poa, I had near perfect one hole groups when I got the rest right, trigger control etc. I don't know when, which platform, got me using the dots for poa, but that's not how I was trained. Going back to picture 2, got me back on track. I hadn't been practicing short distance groups for awhile, im glad I did with the Legion.

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Hmm ... this has me thinking about that barrel convert now (between 357 and 40).

Does anyone know how much a drop youll get from 357 using 8/8 if you fire a 40 through it? I'm pretty certain I was getting black by using "Sight image 2" (that's just how ive always shot anything ever is bisect with top of FSP). Hopefully the drop is only down the difference between "Sight image 2" and "Sight image 3" ... maybe 1-1.5in on paper?
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I was shooting low. But using sight picture 2, I went to 3 and of coarse corrected it. But I don't like that sight picture. I can't see the bullseye with the sight covering it. I guess I'll get use to it.
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Ok, well, was able to make a quick trip to the range...




I first took a few (5) shots at 15 yards and hit high as has been. No pics.

Then I moved the target to 8 yards and first round used same, still hit high. So I went to sight pic #2 and it moved my hits lower. Still not liking how, where hits are relative to point of aim. Definitely shooting high. Thought maybe wrist breaking was playing into high hits, but consciously made every effort to not allow that to happen. Hits were consistent enough that I feel I had control, but errors high not being me as they were all going that way.
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Nice shooting? The pic you posted was sight image 2? Yor sights are matched to what they should be for your caliber?

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Nice shooting? The pic you posted was sight image 2? Yor sights are matched to what they should be for your caliber?
Yes, sight pic #2, both sights #8 as mentioned 229 .357S Legion.
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Yeah looks good. A tad right, but no biggie. That's how it should shoot. You can't expect to get a group like that or better if your whole front sight post covers the target up. If you're sure you aren't inducing that right shift then that's where you could tap your front or rear sight to compensate.

I suppose if you're unhappy with the sight picture and vertical shift you're gonna have to get a different FSP or rear sight which they apparently make. You've got options.

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