This is a discussion on opinions re: quality of Legion DA/SA trigger action within the Legion Series forums, part of the SIG Sauer Pistols category; I have never shot a Legion P226 or P229 DA/SA pistol. That will likely soon change since I found yesterday that a nearby range has ...
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|08-16-2016, 06:02 AM||#1|
Join Date: Feb 2015
opinions re: quality of Legion DA/SA trigger action
I have never shot a Legion P226 or P229 DA/SA pistol. That will likely soon change since I found yesterday that a nearby range has a P229 Legion in 9 mm available as a rental.
I did dry fire that pistol and I have dry fired one other DA/SA Legion (I believe it was a 226).
I have a regular P229 that I have modified by adding an SRT kit and a SIG reduced reach trigger. I have also done a little polishing of the trigger bar and the surfaces of the SRT sear that the hammer cams on, using Fitz and some cotton-tipped swabs. I had my P229 along at the above-mentioned range to have some SIG X Ray sights installed, so I had the opportunity to dry fire my pistol and the Legion back to back.
My opinion was that my P229 had the better DA trigger pull. The Legion DA trigger pull seemed significantly grittier. It also seemed a bit heavier, although that may have been an illusion resulting from the less smooth trigger action.
I did not appreciate any difference in the SA trigger break or reset.
The Legion obviously had the Grayguns P-SAIT trigger. I did like the contour of the Grayguns trigger better than that of the SIG reduced reach trigger, although I have not had any real issues with the SIG trigger.
My recollection of the trigger action on the other Legion I dry fired is a bit dusty, but I do recall that it did not impress me as being better than a P229 Extreme I had shot.
For those who have a DA/SA Legion and have also had or shot regular DA/SA P226s or 229s, what is your opinion of the Legion trigger action quality relative to the non-Legion SIG?
|08-16-2016, 07:09 AM||#2|
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Chicago, Illannoyed
For me, the Legion trigger is better than my P226, P229, and P239. I could not tell by dry firing that the Legion trigger would be that good. Because I like the feel of the trigger so much I'm going to install it in my M11-A1. I have long, fat fingers and it's just a natural fit.
Aside from the trigger shape or maybe because of it, the Legion just feels more refined - or composed - to me. I said I wasn't going to buy any more Sigs but the Legion made a liar out of me. It's the last one, though...
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|08-16-2016, 09:04 PM||#5|
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Central Illinois
The trigger on my Legion P229 in 40 S&W can not be called gritty my any means .. mine is very smooth .. but it is around 10 pounds as is stated and SA is around 4 but both are very smooth with no staging .. reset is around 1/16th to 1/8th of an inch .. Mine is not broke in yet as it has less the 600 rounds through it ..
My Beretta PX4 Sub Compact's trigger is comparable to the Legions in feel but its DA/SA is 6 1/2 over about 3 1/2 and is easier to shoot accurately then the legion .. I actually like its flatter but not completely flat trigger a little better then the Legions ..
I have a Tanfoglio TZ-75 that is even better but it has been completely polished so would not compare it to the others ..
|08-17-2016, 03:50 AM||#6|
Join Date: May 2016
I've shot the Legion P229 at a local range and it's very nice. Definitely has a better trigger than my stock P229. I'm interested to see what I think once I have a SRT installed in my P229. I know it won't be the same as the Legion trigger, but I'm curious how much difference there is between them at that point.
I will say I like the SAO trigger on my P226 Legion better than the P229 Legion. The flat trigger is awesome IMO.
|08-17-2016, 05:55 AM||#7|
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
The Legion trigger feels somewhat smoother through the DA pull compared to a regular SRT trigger, and the reset is a little shorter,. The shape of the Legion trigger is more comfortable and doesn't pinch my trigger finger like the other does.
|08-17-2016, 09:14 AM||#9|
Join Date: Feb 2013
The SA trigger reset is about half of an SRT- the SRT is short, the Legion trigger is shorter. You really need to shoot it to get a good feel. And, as far as gritty, take into account that you were handling a range gun- who knows what care it gets? The Legion triggers are great.
|08-17-2016, 09:28 AM||#10|
Join Date: Jul 2016
I don't have a lot of range time with it, but I shot the Legion P226 last week and put 100 or so rounds through it. I currently own the P226 MK25 and thought the Legion trigger was quite a bit better. This was after installation of SRT in my MK25 so trying to compare as close to the Legion as possible.
|08-18-2016, 11:51 AM||#12|
Join Date: Feb 2015
I went back and shot that rental SIG P229 Legion 9 mm DA/SA that I mentioned at the start of this thread. I shot 50 rds through it back to back with my non-Legion P229 .40 cal with SIG reduced reach trigger and SRT kit. My pistol also has Hogue G10 Piranha grips similar to those on the Legion, and the same SIG X Ray sights.
After I was done, I asked one of the co-owners of the range, who is also a gunsmith, to dry fire my pistol and the Legion back to back.
I realize that my P229 is a sample size of one and the Legion 229 rental is another sample size of one. But here are my (our) conclusions:
In double action my pistol had the better trigger action. It was both smoother and a little lighter. There was no doubt in either my mind, or the owner's. The difference was quite significant. In live fire, I found it more difficult to keep the Legion sights aligned shooting double action because of this.
In terms of break and pull weight, there was no significant difference in trigger action in SA mode. The reset on the Legion did indeed seem slightly shorter. I am rather puzzled by this since it seems that the trigger reset should be dictated only by the geometry of the sear and the trigger bar. My understanding is that the Legion uses stock parts that have been coated, but not polished or modified. I would not have expected the Grayguns P-SAIT trigger to affect the trigger reset, but perhaps it does.
I did prefer the feel of the P-SAIT trigger to my SIG reduced reach trigger. I have not experienced finger pinch with the short trigger as so many others have reported, but the P-SAIT had a more comfortable contour. I don't really think this affected my accuracy with the pistol. It was more a matter of better ergonomics.
Both pistols shot great and felt great in the hand. I really couldn't appreciate any difference in grip or feel resulting from the slightly different grips on the Legion, the attenuated beavertail, or the frame relief at the rear of the trigger guard. I seemed to have the same accuracy with both pistols despite the different calibers. My double action shots with the Legion were definitely slower since I had to concentrate more on not disturbing the sight picture during the trigger press.
Overall impression: I preferred the trigger action on my pistol by a considerable margin. Although the reset on the Legion trigger was slightly shorter, I didn't see that as an advantage because the trigger reset with the P229 with SRT kit is already so short. I do not compete. I shoot for fun but also with the notion of self-defense in mind. So I do not make a conscience effort to ride the reset since I doubt that I would be able to do this in a stressful situation. Although I like the feel of the P-SAIT trigger better it did not make up for the more difficult DA trigger pull on the Legion.
It seems from the responses to this thread that the clear consensus is that the Legion trigger is superior to non-Legion P series DA/SA pistols. That wasn't my experience. I realize this could be a fluke in that my P229 might have an unusually good trigger and this particular Legion had an unusually bad one. The Legion was also a rental gun. But I know this particular range takes pretty good care of their rentals, cleaning them after every use. They also rotate their rentals pretty regularly, selling them off after a few months at near-new prices. I also know that this pistol had not been in their rental case very long. My pistol is also pretty new with a relatively low round count.
|08-18-2016, 12:12 PM||#13|
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Minden, NV
"In terms of break and pull weight, there was no significant difference in trigger action in SA mode. The reset on the Legion did indeed seem slightly shorter. I am rather puzzled by this since it seems that the trigger reset should be dictated only by the geometry of the sear and the trigger bar. My understanding is that the Legion uses stock parts that have been coated, but not polished or modified. I would not have expected the Grayguns P-SAIT trigger to affect the trigger reset, but perhaps it does."
It does. The reason for this is that with a trigger overtravel stop, the trigger will stop just a bit further forward than without that stop. So this adjustment directly affects reset length.
This difference would not normally be noticed with a longer reset fire control system, but with SIG's SRT (short reset parts) the reset is quite short, and so adding an adjustable overtravel can make it Dang short! and that's noticeable.
|08-18-2016, 12:26 PM||#14|
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Birmingham, AL
One thing to consider is the mainspring on your gun vs the one on the Legion. that will have the biggest affect on how hard the pull is.
|08-18-2016, 12:36 PM||#15|
Join Date: Feb 2015
Your explanation makes sense but I really cannot detect any appreciable trigger over travel with my P229 so I can't see reduction in over travel explaining a shorter reset.
If over travel reduction was the explanation, I should be able to accomplish the same thing by installing a P-SAIT trigger in my pistol, although once again, I am not sure I really want or need to reduce the already very short reset.
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