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Old 09-02-2016, 10:12 AM   #16
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"Gun game' guys think they really know a lot about what is required for a gun fight and how to use it in such a situation.

I've enjoyed over the years watching "competition shooters" absolutely fall apart on a dynamic range under the kind of high stress realistic combat shooting drills we run.

It's always a humbling experience for them.
So since you've never actually introduced yourself properly but instead apparently come here and basically talked down to everyone in every one of your posts please enlighten us on your 'real world' combat experience?

Where did you serve? How many tours did you do? What was your MOS?
Did it take two or only one shot to kill Osama Bin Laden, since you were there......obviously.

Cmon us 'gun gamers' are really interested to hear your vast skills, classes you've taught, certifications you possess and all that.

Go ahead.....humble us why don't you......
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Old 09-02-2016, 10:27 AM   #17
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And you as well, and I bet that to a man they each could identify the very serious "downsides" to thinking that just because you can run a game with a firearm this has prepared you for real-world fighting with a handgun.
Because that's what I said exactly nowhere. Go run along now, Timmy, the adults are talking.
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Because that's what I said exactly nowhere. Go run along now, Timmy, the adults are talking.
Hold on. Don't chase him off. He was just gonna explain to us that he was a Delta Force Navy Seal Green Beret Spetznaz Coast guard instructor for forty years and killed Vietcong with his fingers back in the day......
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You might try switching the barrels between the P226's, just to rule out any random defects in the barrel. But I really think it's the sights. Something about the xray sights may be causing you to not focus on that front sight properly - and it just may be because the tru-glo front sights are closer. If it were me, I'd replace the sights on the Legion. All of my "defensive" guns I've replaced with tru-glo sights so I can keep consistent anyways. And if you end up selling your Legion (for not that much of a loss), you'll probably want the tru-glo sights for the next P226 you buy (because of course, there's def going to be a next P226, right?). I actually replaced the sights on my P226 Tacops because I wanted matching fiber optics on the rear sights as well. So if it doesn't work out, you can always use the sights for your Tacops.

Three dots are a bit finicky. Sometimes POI is when all 3 dots are lined up (but the top of the sights are slightly off). Sometimes POI is when the tops of the sights are lined up (but the 3 dots are slightly off). Experiment a bit.

Good luck!
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Old 09-02-2016, 11:32 AM   #20
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For what it's worth, I've been told by Sig Customer Support that the sights on the Legion are placed on...and never sighted in, let alone being fired to determine a sight zero.

Perhaps you should send it in to them to check? Or to The Sig Armorer? Or do it yourself?
I think that one CS person was full of it. I have a 226L along with two of my friends and we took them to an armorer and he checked all of them. They were all perfectly sighted to 25 yards.
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"Gun game' guys think they really know a lot about what is required for a gun fight and how to use it in such a situation.

I've enjoyed over the years watching "competition shooters" absolutely fall apart on a dynamic range under the kind of high stress realistic combat shooting drills we run.

It's always a humbling experience for them.
Unless someone is actually shooting back at you you're just playing a game too. Different game, different rules but still just a game.
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You might try switching the barrels between the P226's, just to rule out any random defects in the barrel.
Great idea! I didn't even consider that but that is a pretty obvious test to do. I'm shooting a USPSA match tomorrow and after the match I'm going to do the back-to-back test again and report back including the barrel-swap test.
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With rare exception military personnel are not known for their skill in handling pistols. Their primary weapon is the rifle. If you want to go to personnel typically more familiar in pistol handling skills you move over to the LEO category. And, logically, their rifle handling skills are lesser than the combat soldier. (Specialized units aside.)

If I was ever pinned down in a shoot out on a city street with pistols as primary weapons, I'd rather have a competitive gamer next to me with his pistol than a combat soldier. In all due respect. (BTW, I have been pinned down in a shoot out before using a storm drain for cover.)
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I should also give props to my Army pal, Jimmy, a combat veteran and sniper with two tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and six kills. We've gone shooting together and he holds a pistol like he's holding a wet cat.
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I should also give props to my Army pal, Jimmy, a combat veteran and sniper with two tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and six kills. We've gone shooting together and he holds a pistol like he's holding a wet cat.
You can hold a wet cat? That is a funny one that I have never heard before.
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I agree Sig sometimes releases products that GENERALLY meet their mass produced standards but may fall short of critical customers' needs.
I'd call Sig Customer Service and have a good heart to heart discussion about your concerns.
If they have a shooting -team support section, I'd try to contact them too. BUT I suspect if you get the right rep on the phone and complain about accuracy issues, your level of experience and competence, you may be able to convince them to take it back and see if the barrel/sights need to be replaced.
I had an original 226-22LR Classic that grouped like ****. They changed the barrel and sights. While it was there, paid for their trigger work and it came back very, very nice.
I added a 9mm xchange kit and it shoots like a laser. My 357.sig kit works great too but also had to go back to have the front sight replaced to hit where I was aiming.
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Hold on. Don't chase him off. He was just gonna explain to us that he was a Delta Force Navy Seal Green Beret Spetznaz Coast guard instructor for forty years and killed Vietcong with his fingers back in the day......
And he did that with both eyes closed while standing on one foot!
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Some folks will never get over, or get past, or understand what is and what is not "acceptable accuracy" for a gun intended to win a gun fight.

If you never do, it is pretty much pointless ever having a conversation about accuracy, it's like talking to a brick wall, the ignorance and arrogance factors are so high.
WOW!!! what the hell is acceptable accuracy to you, Slick? To me it's 1" at 25 yards no matter what situation I find myself in but especially in a gunfight. He who is the fastest and most accurate wins. Also, I personally only use my handgun if my long gun is out of commission. I see by the high speed, low drag, hardcore hoorah, hoorah super duper special Team Ghost patch as your avatar that you must be a tier 1 combat God or you just read NICHOLAS SANSBURY SMITH. It's also apparent that you must have some "mad skilz" since you have won soooooo many gunfights with a HANDGUN that only has "acceptable accuracy" Please do pass on your vast expanse of knowledge to us lowly competition shooters since being a competition shooter apparently automatically means we know nothing about gun fighting. I, for one, could use a lot of pointers from someone soooooo experienced.

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WOW!!! what the hell is acceptable accuracy to you, Slick? To me it's 1" at 25 yards no matter what situation I find myself in but especially in a gunfight. He who is the fastest and most accurate wins. Also, I personally only use my handgun if my long gun is out of commission. I see by the high speed, low drag, hardcore hoorah, hoorah super duper special Team Ghost patch as your avatar that you must be a tier 1 combat God or you just read NICHOLAS SANSBURY SMITH. It's also apparent that you must have some "mad skilz" since you have won soooooo many gunfights with a HANDGUN that only has "acceptable accuracy" Please do pass on your vast expanse of knowledge to us lowly competition shooters since being a competition shooter apparently automatically means we know nothing about gun fighting. I, for one, could use a lot of pointers from someone soooooo experienced.
WOW! I just like to hit the bullseye when I shoot. I feel confident that I can hit what I am shooting at. Adrenaline can change the way you engage a situation in every instance. Wow is all I can say. That is why I carry a Glock 20 when I go to the woods and not a revolver. I may have to lay down a field of fire to hit my target. Especially if it is bigger than me.
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I love Sigs but the Legion has poor fit and finish, the actual finish is poor, my standard 226 is more accurate and Military Arms Channel just did a tirture test and the P226 Legion failed pretty epically - selling mine and using the cash to order another Wilson Combat. Very disappointed.
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