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Old 09-01-2016, 06:38 PM   #1
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Disappointed in Legion P226 9mm

I shot my P226 TACOPS back-to-back with my P226 Legion last weekend, testing some different options for new match ammo. I shot about 2-3 groups each at 25 yards with a total of 9 different loads, 124 plated, 124 Hi-Tek coated, 147 plated, 147 Hi-Tek coated, both Alliant BE-86 and Vihtavouri N320 and all Federal primers. Everything loaded on a Mark 7 Autodrive on a Dillon Super 1050 with every optional sensor for better-than-factory consistency (I was getting standard deviations of less than 5 fps on some 10-shot strings).

Long story short (not so short by now I guess), the TACOPS consistently outshot the Legion. Shooting off a Caldwell pistol rest on a bench, the TACOPS would shoot POI at POA with just about every load, or darn close to it, at 1.5 inches to 2.75 inches. The Legion would not shoot under 3.5 inches with any of those loads and averaged about 4 inches, and worse yet it shot 2-3 inches high with the factory sights. Both guns are stock except for a 18lb mainspring change. No failures whatsoever. I was also testing a PPQ 4" 9mm, an M&P Pro 5" 9mm and a Tanfoglio Stock III 4.75" 9mm with the same ammunition. All of them outshot Legion P226 to some degree.

Add in the fact that the finish on the Legion is indeed much poorer than the TACOPS, and I must say I'm quite disappointed. For example, I've shot the TACOPS in about twice as many (10 or so) USPSA and IDPA matches as the Legion, and the magwell is just scarred up from on-the-clock mag changes.

I'm just about to the point of selling the Legion. What is the going rate for a Legion with about 1,500 rounds through it, everything that came in the box and the Legion case and coin?
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Old 09-01-2016, 07:13 PM   #2
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The going rate is $350, I'll give you $400 being a Sigtalk member! ��

Seriously, I was just at my LGS today, they had two Legion 229s, one used with little to no use for $1150 and the other was NIB for $1295. They also had a NIB 226 also for $1295.

That said, Legions in Milwaukee have been very hard to find, almost never on shelves for more than a day until this past month. Other threads this year have shown NIB Legion prices significantly lower than Milwaukee prices. Local prices here just haven't come down yet.
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Thanks for the feedback. I heard from my buddy at the LGS that Legion prices went up recently. I think they are going for $1050-1100 plus tax around here.

I cleaned both guns again tonight and I like the reduced beavertail on the Legion, I think it allows you to get a slightly higher hold on the gun. Of course I'm having second thoughts again, so I'll try shooting them back to back one more time. I did notice the sight picture was significantly different with the TFO front vs. the X-Ray sights on the Legion. It's pretty amazing how accurate the TACOPS is with that super-long fiber optic tritium front sight that reduces the sight radius to less than that of a 4" PPQ with similar TruGlo TFX sights.
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There's no arguing with your testing protocols or your results, and, while I'm a Legion owner, I'm no fan-boy, nor am I a competition shooter.

That said, I guess I'm not surprised, given what you stacked the Legion up against. Not familiar with the TacOps, so can't account for those differences, but the Legion is positioned/marketed as a "combat pistol," not a competition/target pistol.

To me, the numbers you've achieved seem "accurate enough" for the primary use of the firearm.

Depending on just how "scarred up" the magwell is, it's probably reasonable to think you could get $900-$1,000.
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That said, I guess I'm not surprised, given what you stacked the Legion up against. Not familiar with the TacOps, so can't account for those differences, but the Legion is positioned/marketed as a "combat pistol," not a competition/target pistol.
That's an interesting point, however I think the TACOPS (short for Tactical Operations) is also positioned as a "combat pistol". Moreover, I wonder how much engineering differences there really are between the mainline variations of the P226. I don't think they alter the slide-to-frame fit or other aspects that affect accuracy. It seems to me that Sig USA follows the 90's GM philosophy of model proliferation with minor feature differentiation to the same basic platforms. P226's with beavertails, w/o beavertails, 20 round mags and Hogue Magrips, TruGlo Fiber Optic Tritium sights, SRT, etc., but all on the same slide and frame with the same barrels across the range.

If my accuracy testing was correct and wasn't shooter-induced, then it's probably just within normal manufacturing tolerance/variance that one outshoots the other. However, with my OCD and as a competition shooter it's hard to love them equally given the performance difference.

I'll report back after the shooting test again and also with pictures of the magwells to show the finish damage.
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For what it's worth, I've been told by Sig Customer Support that the sights on the Legion are placed on...and never sighted in, let alone being fired to determine a sight zero.

Perhaps you should send it in to them to check? Or to The Sig Armorer? Or do it yourself?
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That's an interesting point, however I think the TACOPS (short for Tactical Operations) is also positioned as a "combat pistol". Moreover, I wonder how much engineering differences there really are between the mainline variations of the P226.
That seems right to me; at least, I feel they are both marketed that way. I have a P226 TacOps and a P229 Legion... my experience is converse of yours, and oddly my P229 shoots "better" than the P226 in my hands. Of course, my 226 TacOps is a 9mm and my 229 Legion is a .357 Sig, so that might account for some of it as I've heard lots of people report that 357 just seems to shoot flat and straight. As a complete "W t F" my wife shoots my HK VP9 better than both of the Sig's.
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Some folks will never get over, or get past, or understand what is and what is not "acceptable accuracy" for a gun intended to win a gun fight.

If you never do, it is pretty much pointless ever having a conversation about accuracy, it's like talking to a brick wall, the ignorance and arrogance factors are so high.
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Some folks will never get over, or get past, or understand what is and what is not "acceptable accuracy" for a gun intended to win a gun fight.

If you never do, it is pretty much pointless ever having a conversation about accuracy, it's like talking to a brick wall, the ignorance and arrogance factors are so high.
Maybe you missed the part about me being a competition shooter. I shoot a shitload more accurately than what is "required" for combat, and I choose to do it with a "combat" gun for shits and grins and as cross training to be prepared for a gunfight with similar guns I carry every day. The fact that I have 2 of basically the same gun from the same factory and one shoots as accurately as I want it to and the other doesn't is what is disappointing.
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"Gun game' guys think they really know a lot about what is required for a gun fight and how to use it in such a situation.

I've enjoyed over the years watching "competition shooters" absolutely fall apart on a dynamic range under the kind of high stress realistic combat shooting drills we run.

It's always a humbling experience for them.
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For what it's worth, I've been told by Sig Customer Support that the sights on the Legion are placed on...and never sighted in, let alone being fired to determine a sight zero.

Perhaps you should send it in to them to check? Or to The Sig Armorer? Or do it yourself?
Thanks. The sights are actually aligned well and the windage is perfect. Unfortunately, the elevation is what is to high. Holding the same sight pictures, with the center tip of the front blade is the impact point, the TACOPS with its factory-installed TruGlo Tritium Fiber Optic front sight (and what I assume is a rear "Siglite" night sight) hits dead on with 124gr and 147gr loads making 130-135 power factor, while the Legion and its factory installed X-Ray sights is hitting consistently 2-3 inches high.

I need to measure the front and rear heights and see if a replacement TruGlo #8 or #6 might do the trick. But that still doesn't address the relatively inaccuracy compared to the TACOPS, which by all reasonable accounts should be identical.
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"Gun game' guys think they really know a lot about what is required for a gun fight and how to use it in such a situation.

I've enjoyed over the years watching "competition shooters" absolutely fall apart on a dynamic range under the kind of high stress realistic combat shooting drills we run.

It's always a humbling experience for them.
I lived in NC and used to shoot USPSA, IDPA and 3-gun with Kyle Lamb, Brian McKibben and "Super" Dave Harrington. In fact, Kyle's unit put on a monthly USPSA match at Range 14, encouraging everyone on base to participate by providing ammo for active duty persons that wanted to participate. They believed in the practical shooting skills developed and "stress" that a USPSA match put shooters under to be vital to cross training for what they did for work. Pat MacNamara actually wrote a book about applying practical shooting skills developed in competition to combat shooting (T.A.P.S.). I also used to travel and compete in regional and national competitions with Ernest Langdon and Scott Warren. Ernest is well know but FYI Scott was with FBI HRT for over 20 years and spent the last part of his career as head of their marksmanship training.

All of the above guys plus other like Frank Proctor and Mike Pannone believe in the benefits of competition shooting and how fundamentals there translate to "combat shooting". It's why they competed and promoted competition both when they were active and in retirement and in their second careers as trainers of combat arts for serious purposes.

So you're completely entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
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Got to sell the coin separate, that was the only good thing about the Legion was the challenge coin. Legions were never meant to be fired, just dusted yearly when it was safe queens day
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So you're completely entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
And you as well, and I bet that to a man they each could identify the very serious "downsides" to thinking that just because you can run a game with a firearm this has prepared you for real-world fighting with a handgun.

But to a gun-game guy facts will never stand in the way of their cherished beliefs in "competition shooting."
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...Moreover, I wonder how much engineering differences there really are between the mainline variations of the P226...
Not really any that I know. They are all interchangeable in parts to reduce production costs. The Legion gets a nice trigger courtesy of GGI and different grips (and an odd logo).

Below is a Legion slide on a MK25-D frame (not mine - YUCK!).

I would say that the difference you see is due primarily just to variability in the manufacturing of the guns. You could probably just as easily find another TACOPS and another Legion and find that the other Legion outshoots the other TACOPS.

That said, I'm quite happy with my TACOPSs...TACOPSi? TACOPSs!
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