This is a discussion on Sig p938 with trigger guard laser within the P238, P938 Pistol forums, part of the SIG Sauer Pistols category; Looking for opinions on whether or not to get the 938 with or without the laser. Any opinion would be great....
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|05-20-2013, 02:59 PM||#1|
Join Date: May 2013
Sig p938 with trigger guard laser
Looking for opinions on whether or not to get the 938 with or without the laser. Any opinion would be great.
|05-20-2013, 03:56 PM||#2|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Florida Pan Handle
I personally do not recomend lasers. People who become reliant on them often don't practice as they should, and end up with their mechanics deteoriorating and timing suffering. When preparing to shoot, you should immediately watch for your front blade to settle between you rear sight posts. Those who use a laser, I have found, are always looking for the "dot". That is a BAD habit to develope. It could also cost you your life in a battle. So I would encourage you to stick to your iron sights, they may not look as cool but they pretty much work ALL the time.
|05-20-2013, 04:16 PM||#3|
Join Date: Jan 2013
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Re: Sig p938 with trigger guard laser
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|05-20-2013, 04:46 PM||#4|
Join Date: Apr 2013
I love the trigger guard lasers. Should you rely on them, absolutely not.
I never really use them at the range, but in panic mode anything to help you out isn't a bad thing.
Also, they make for good practice, I always tell my friends to practice dry firing with the laser as it reveals how much they move the gun with their trigger pull.
|05-20-2013, 05:31 PM||#5|
Join Date: May 2013
Decisions are tough to make. Can get the sport version for $560 or the Extreme version with the laser for about $700.
|05-20-2013, 06:12 PM||#7|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Good for old guys who can't see the front sight and may not have time to put on reading glasses before BG inserts knife in chest!!
Just and old guy in a cheap suit.
|05-20-2013, 07:02 PM||#8|
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: no central Illinois
I think everyone responds with their own opinions based on perceptions of what they have expoerienced in training, study or real life so pretty much everyone probvides some good info.
I am both a retired infantry soldier and a retired police officer. i am currently a State licensed firearms instructor, an illinois certified Police firearms instructor and an NRA firearms instructor-pistol.
Unfortunately for me, i have been invoklved in a number of oncidents where i had to actually draw a pistol and even worse, i have been in several gunfights.
I have a number of pistols and all of them have lasers, and right now, all Sig lasers.
I don't practice with my lasers, not at all. I believe the only way to obtain proficiency with a pistol is good instruction and constant practice. I will be 66 this year, have already attended to pistol courses since January and will get in at least one more this fall. I practice drills, over and over again. I work at a public outdoor firing range and when not teaching or running one of the ranges I am practicing.
But, not with the laser.
I never, ever want to take another human life. i will do whatever i have to do to avoid it. All the laser is to me is a chance, most likely a very last resort chance, to end a potential shooting without actually firing a shot.
Everyone thinks of a laser as a little red dot, a 'cat toy' if you will, shining ominously on someone's chest. You see it in movies and on TV all the time.
But, that's not what the target sees.
if you know someone that owns a laser equipped handgun, have him clear the weapon and then double check that it is clear yourself. Better yet, if possible, take the laser off and just use it. Then stand in front of him, at whatever distance you want, and have him pass the laser across your face but do not let it shine directly in your eyes.
The laser is literally blinding. More over, there is definitely no mistaking exactly what it is.
If i can dissuade someone from engaging with me then I win. Doing it without firing a shot is the name of the game. A red or green laser is just that. an alternate means to ending a confrontation.
I agree that depending on a laser to sight with is foolish, but having a laser equipped firearm is not foolish.
I also have a 938 (Sport) and it has a Sig laser but so does my P238
Last edited by Bud; 05-20-2013 at 07:06 PM.
|05-20-2013, 07:40 PM||#9|
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Wichita Ks.
I have had CT grips, a Lasermax guide rod in a Glock 27, and a Lasermax rail.
I don't have one now, but if I go again, I only want a squeeze on laser.
One extra move to turn it on and another to get it off, is not for me.
Along with night sights, nice to have, but I'm fine without also.
Bud that deterrent thought is a good one. Intimidation goes a long way. Pump shotguns stopped many fights before they started.
I have done that test before a mirror. Bright
Last edited by dwg13013; 05-20-2013 at 07:43 PM.
|11-08-2013, 03:23 PM||#10|
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Traverse City, MI 49684
I have another take on lasers, coming from an old guy, as well as a physician specializing in neurophysiology, giving me some additional insight into how the body's systems work when aiming a pistol.
I certainly agree with maintaining your skills with iron sights.
However, in addition to the positive points listed so far for lasers, I would add the following when using the pistol for self defense:
1) You have no control over the environment you will have to use the gun in. We all know that if your target is the wrong color for your sights and ambient light levels are low, those iron sights can disappear/become muddled very quickly and your sight picture can take a long time to acquire. I think it is fair to say that "point shooting" has been discredited as a method of choice, especially if you can't see your gun barrel either. "point shooting" is a last resort except at extremely short distances. We also already know that most SD encounters occur in poor light.
2) If you are older and have lost visual accomodation, iron sights put you at a disadvantage.
3) Using iron sights requires that your eye, the gun, and the target all be in line, severely limiting your shooting options. With a laser, without losing accuracy, you can shoot from waist level or in unusual positions, e.g., a right hander can look to the left of a tree and fire around the right side. The basic point here is that, without losing accuracy, you can visually acquire your target via any sightpath you can come up with, and can fire from any position you can get your gun on the target. There is no question that you can decrease your exposure and improve concealment/cover with these extra capabilities.
4) Lasers very rarely fail. I always put two lasers on my guns if I can, e.g., a Lasermax Guiderod Laser plus a Crimson Trace Lasergrip, or some other combination. This both provides redundancy, and if your morning gun check shows both lasers pointing to the same spot, and lining up with your iron sights, you can be virtually certain that nothing has gotten knocked out of alignment. On some of the smaller carry guns, you can't get more than one laser that fits the gun, so you have no redundancy, and can only check the laser against the iron sights.
5) You can still rely on your iron sights if you want to.
6) You still have to practice all the modes you might use anyway.
Therefore, I personally can come up with no good reason not to equip your pistol with lasers other than cost. In very low light, a laser may be your only "good" choice. A laser certainly adds capabilities without taking any away.
I have two P938's and two P290RS's, and definitely prefer the Crimson Trace LaserGuard (LG-492, I believe). On my two P229's and my Glocks, S&W M&P's and larger pistols, I prefer the Lasermax Guiderod Laser and the Crimson Trace LaserGrip. If one of these doesn't work out for some reason, and the pistol has a rail, I'll use a Viridian X5L as the second laser. Or, on occasion, a LaserLyte rear sight laser comes in handy, although if you have night sights, the LaserLyte requires that you give up the rear night sights. I have found that night sights are really useful only for "sniper" type shooting in that they aren't bright enough to help with rapid sight picture acquisition in the dark. All other things being equal, I want night sights, but sometimes they aren't very helpful. Sometimes, they are.
|11-10-2013, 03:54 AM||#11|
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: rixford pa
I went with the Crimson Trace and the reason is, when you grab the gun,it's on, no extra moves needed. I also feel it can help you in training in that you can dry fire and see if that laser moves. At night that red dot is there,you dont even have to bring the gun up to eye level in a life or death situation,if you're behind a barrier and cant get sight alignment without exposing yourself,use the laser. I'm not saying depend on it always,as things fail at inopertune times. You should always train with your open sights also,but it's nice to know that the laser help is there. my 2cents and your mileage may vary.
|11-10-2013, 04:13 AM||#12|
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: North Idaho
I will sell you mine. Never been used. I thought it was nice that I found a good deal on the gun and it came with it. But after trying it out, I just don't want it. I have had it in my factory case just waiting for my lazy butt to get it on ebay and sell it. PM me if you want it. PD situations are going to be close range, HD I use my P229, so the laser doesn't hold that much need for me.
|11-11-2013, 07:22 AM||#13|
Join Date: Sep 2013
|03-25-2014, 09:09 AM||#14|
Join Date: Mar 2014
Laser or Not
I personally would not rely on my laser dot for a defense shot, however, if it is nightime and there is a need to draw my weapon the red dot shining in face of the threat can make someone turn and burn. At nighttime a threat cannot see a small P938 sitting in my hand. I think its a great deterrent and visual that the threat understands there is a weapon pointed back at them. Who cares if its a cool item. It can stop what could be an escalated scenario.
If one has the money to spend I would recommend it.
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