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Old 01-26-2017, 09:39 PM   #61
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Old 01-27-2017, 09:12 AM   #62
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I would like to thank everyone for the information. Lots of good stuff.

Is this just an isolated problem or have other members experienced the same thing with a certain build date?
I know the P238 can be tricky to put back together.

I haven't had any issues with my mine.
Built date 21-Aug.-2016
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Old 01-31-2017, 03:48 PM   #63
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Thanks to SIG CS rep Amy, I received two replacement springs on Monday last. Installed one in my 938 yesterday and made a quick range trip to confirm that it resolved the problem of the slide locking back mid-mag. Though I only had time to run 21 rounds/3 mags, I'm happy to report that the pistol functioned flawlessly. Another more extensive range session should clear this pistol for carry rotation.
Made a second trip to the range after replacing the slide catch spring and ran 180 rounds without any malfunction. On removing the slide, found the spring riding very high in the pocket, even pushing the catch lever away from the frame (please excuse the crud, pic taken just after the range):

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Sent this pic to SIG and asked for an opinion. Response was that the spring wasn't properly installed and an offer to bring it in for repair. Not sure if they meant "sitting that high isn't properly installed" or "it's riding up because it's not properly installed"; the first I would agree with, the later I can only say that I did my best. Either way, it's on it's way back so the pros can take a run at it.
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Made a second trip to the range after replacing the slide catch spring and ran 180 rounds without any malfunction. On removing the slide, found the spring riding very high in the pocket, even pushing the catch lever away from the frame (please excuse the crud, pic taken just after the range):

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Sent this pic to SIG and asked for an opinion. Response was that the spring wasn't properly installed and an offer to bring it in for repair. Not sure if they meant "sitting that high isn't properly installed" or "it's riding up because it's not properly installed"; the first I would agree with, the later I can only say that I did my best. Either way, it's on it's way back so the pros can take a run at it.
As you will recall, I had this issue with one of my two P238's.
After installing the replacement spring that Sig sent me, it was "riding high" just like yours in your photo. I had to bend/reshape it myself to fit properly in its pocket. I personally think that Sig has a batch of incorrectly formed Slide Stop Springs, or that they
"spec'd" them incorrectly to the manufacturer.

Since I reshaped and reinstalled the spring on my malfunctioning P238, I have shot approx. 200 rounds and racked the slide many times without the Slide Stop walking out, or the slide locking open when it shouldn't.
I hope Sig fixes this for you!
If not, let me know and I 'll try to describe to you exactly what I did to fix mine.

BTW - On Jan. 21, 2017, I sent an email to Ron Cohen, CEO of Sig Sauer, to report this issue and request that he forward it to the appropriate people.
I received a response from Bill Larson, Manager of Customer Service, who assured me that "our Engineering and Quality folks are looking into the matter."
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BTW - On Jan. 21, 2017, I sent an email to Ron Cohen, CEO of Sig Sauer, to report this issue and request that he forward it to the appropriate people.
I received a response from Bill Larson, Manager of Customer Service, who assured me that "our Engineering and Quality folks are looking into the matter."
I have another spring and could possibly do you did and make it work. But the spring has been an issue on this unit from the git-go. It went back for repair a month after I got it and it's been moving in the frame all along. Finally moved enough to cause a malfunction. If SIG get's it fixed this time that's great. If not, they will get another chance and another...till it is fixed. At this point I'm beginning to think that it's not the spring as much as it is the hole in the frame that the spring is anchored in may be oversized.

I've made no bones about my attitude towards "exercising" the lifetime warranty. When they start to add up the cost of shipping and repairs for these warranty claims they will see what needs to be done. The best help I can give them is to generate financial consequences for leaving the problem unresolved.

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I've made no bones about my attitude towards "exercising" the lifetime warranty. When they start to add up the cost of shipping and repairs for these warranty claims they will see what needs to be done. The best help I can give them is to generate financial consequences for leaving the problem unresolved.
I agree with you. We shouldn't have to be "gunsmithing" our own firearms.
But, after reading that many owners had sent their P238/P938's in to Sig with this issue two or three times, and having them returned with the same problem, I decided that the best course of action was to fix it myself...

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At this point I'm beginning to think that it's not the spring as much as it is the hole in the frame that the spring is anchored in may be oversized.
The swagged tip that goes into the hole in the frame needs to be like this:
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This creates tension against the hole to help hold the spring in place.
I guess that you could also try a drop of epoxy in the hole.
I didn't use any epoxy, just the tension from the bend in the swagged end has kept it in place.

Hopefully, Sig will get it fixed for you though, and you won't have to fool with it anymore.
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The swagged tip that goes into the hole in the frame needs to be like this:
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It was definitely like \.
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It was definitely like \.
Okay. Well, I hope Sig fixes it for you.
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ThnkFrst - Did Sig ever resolve your P238's Slide Stop issue?
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ThnkFrst - Did Sig ever resolve your P238's Slide Stop issue?
Thanks for reminding me to post a followup GB.

SIG did replace the slide stop pin in my P938 and I ran 100 rounds of Federal 115g FMJ and 14 rounds of Federal 124g HST without a repeat of the problem (slide locking back inadvertently) and the spring did not ride up in the frame. The frame area around the spring hole is more heavily swedged than before.

I did experience two FTEject however with the Federal FMJ, the first for that type of failure in 2200 rounds. Haven't had a chance to get this one back to the range for more testing.
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Great!
Glad to hear that Sig resolved the slide lock issue for you!
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I had the same issue. I noticed that when I forgot to take off the safety on my P238, pulled the trigger, it did not go off, yay, that's the way it should work. However, when I took the safety off, the gun will not discharge when I pulled the trigger after I tried with the safety on previously. Then, I think that I forgot to rack the gun so now there is 2 ammos in the chamber and then the pin fell out and the gun came apart. Perhaps that's a great safety feature but it became very dangerous because I could not see the extra ammo in the chamber and the hammer was ready to go. To say the least, my gun is put away, unloaded, until I can get it checked out on why it won't discharge after taking off the safety. The gun works perfect if I initially remember to take the safety off and do nothing else but shoot.
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