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Old 12-13-2016, 10:35 AM   #1
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P238 take-down lever

The take-down lever on my new P238 falls out, usually when I am removing the mag and any ammo in the chamber. Not good. It takes a bit of patience and care replacing it knowing there is still one in the chamber that isn't accessible.
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Old 12-13-2016, 10:54 AM   #2
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Check the small Spring where the lever goes into the gun. Make sure it is seated all the way in the frame.With the slide removed, put the lever into the frame all the way. you should hear and feel a slight "click" when you insert the takedown lever all the way in. That is part of the lever being retained by that spring. If it "clicks" it won't fall out.

Since this is a new gun you might want to call Sig. Hope this helps.

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What Garyji says.

Also, inspect the inside aft part of the take down lever, there's a little tab there that, when the lever is installed, must go in under that little spring. This keeps the takedown lever down so it won't lock the slide back until that spring tension is overpowered by the empty magazine follower pushing the takedown lever upward.
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Check the small Spring where the lever goes into the gun. Make sure it is seated all the way in the frame.With the slide removed, put the lever into the frame all the way. you should hear and feel a slight "click" when you insert the takedown lever all the way in. That is part of the lever being retained by that spring. If it "clicks" it won't fall out.

Since this is a new gun you might want to call Sig. Hope this helps.

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And when you call Sig order a few more of those springs. Also, be careful when you're cleaning the gun as not to launch them into the shag carpet. Ask me how I know this.
Edited to add: No! we don't have shag carpets! Just added for dramatic effect.
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Does the lever actually fall out of the frame? I ask that because there is only one position the slide can be in for that to happen and it's not when the slide is locked back or forward in battery.
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Thanks for all the feedback. If I want it out for cleaning and such it must be a deliberate push on the small knob on the opposite side. The spring is in its place, not resting on the avocado stove (sorry BigRedOne, I couldn't resist). I will call Sig and see what the scoop is.
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ThnkFrst - It does fall out, usually when I am pulling back on the slide to eject a chambered round.
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ThnkFrst - It does fall out, usually when I am pulling back on the slide to eject a chambered round.
So it falls out just as the half round notch in the slide is lined up with the tab on the lever? Are you possibly pressing on the nob on the right side of the frame with your trigger finger as you are racking the slide?

If not that, or the suggestions by others to check the position of the spring, then a trip back to SIG is in order.

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That is a very good possibility. I will check it out and see. If not, a call to Sig. Thanks, everybody!
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Welcome from PA!

That never happened with my P238????

SIG customer service will help you.
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Have you fired the weapon in its current condition? Just wondering if you have the takedown pin/lever in the wrong position in relation to the barrel. If you have it in front it should keep the slide from travelling fully forward. Just dont know how familiar you are with it or how much it has been shot. Otherwise it is most likely a failure with that exposed spring as others have mentioned.
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The take-down lever on my new P238 falls out, usually when I am removing the mag and any ammo in the chamber. Not good. It takes a bit of patience and care replacing it knowing there is still one in the chamber that isn't accessible.
I bought two NIB Sig P238's last week. (One for myself and one for my wife).
Took them to the range last week and shot 100 rounds through each.
No issues shooting CCI Blazer brass FMJ. Very pleasant and accurate shooters.
Cleaned and lubed them with Ballistol both before and after shooting.

Took them to the range again today. Shot another 100 rounds of CCI Blazer Brass through each. No issues with my wife's P238.
However, my P238 experienced the take-down lever falling out similar to Siggy.
The first time, it fell out on the ground as I was shooting - At first I though it was just the ejected brass. But I immediately realized that this was different since it fell to the ground near my feet instead of being ejected up and out like the brass normally would. (Siggy - I know exactly how you felt manipulating the take-down lever and slide with one in the chamber, and trying to do so without putting your fingers in front of the muzzle while trying to get the T-D lever back in!)
Anyway, I got the T-D lever back in and continued to shoot, but kept an eye on the take-down lever, checking it after every mag.
Over the next 50 rounds or so that I shot, the lever walked out 3 or 4 times.
But, I caught it each time before it came all the way out, and pushed it back in. So, now that I'm home, I decided to look on this forum to see if anybody else had experienced this issue, and what the fix for it might be.

Based on previous replies to Siggy, I examined the Take-down lever spring/clip. It looked fine, but I tried pushing it in further with a small screwdriver. It didn't budge, so I think it is fully seated.
I then compared the take-down levers and spring/clips between mine and my wife's P238's. They look exactly the same.

So, I don't know. I may give Sig CS a call and see what they say...
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I would definitely give SIG a call. It's a brand new gun. I would make them fix it. Things happen but I would put it on them to resolve.

You paid for a premium gun...let them make them it premium again.
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The take-down lever on my new P238 falls out, usually when I am removing the mag and any ammo in the chamber. Not good. It takes a bit of patience and care replacing it knowing there is still one in the chamber that isn't accessible.
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However, my P238 experienced the take-down lever falling out similar to Siggy.
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but my curiosity is always peaked when I see multiple reports of the same or similar problem on the same model pistol from the same(?) production period. What are the build dates on these two P238s?

Knowing how closely the slide has to be lined up to intentionally remove the TDL, it's surprising to me to hear of the TDL falling out when firing the pistol. My suggestion to Siggy Starduxe to watch the placement of his trigger finger when racking the slide wouldn't seem to apply here to GunnyBlue as his experience is during firing when his trigger finger is on the trigger…unless he is shooting left handed.

I would be inclined to switch the TDL from the wife's 238 to yours to see if the problem follows the TDL, but that's just me yielding to my overwhelming desire to learn what the heck is going on. Unless you are similarly afflicted, I think a call to SIG is the best COA.

EDIT: GunnyBlue, could you provide some more detail on your experience with this malfunction? Did the slide jam when the TDL came out? How far out of the frame did the TDL walk when you noticed it and pushed it back in? What position was the slide in when this happened? You know how it is, inquiring minds need to know.
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Thank you KurryKid and ThnkFrst for your replies and thoughts.

The build date on the one I bought for my wife is Oct. 2016.
The build date on mine is Nov. 2016.

I'm right-handed, and not pressing my right index finger on the T-D lever release "button".
I'm experienced shooting "mouse" guns, so have learned to adjust my grip accordingly.

I thought about swapping the T-D lever and spring between the two guns, but didn't.
(I didn't want to screw up her gun too! LOL) Maybe I will swap them before going to the range next time, though....

The slide did not jam when the lever fell out - it was fully in battery.
When the slide walked out, it was about an eight of an inch out. Again the slide appeared to be in battery.

I guess at this point, I'll give Sig a call and see what they say. My guess is they'll send me a new spring. I'll update this thread with a progress report.
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