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Old 01-08-2017, 01:52 AM   #1
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Laser or no laser?

I currently have a P938 with a Veridian red laser with the ECR auto on feature. I am beginning to wonder if it's worth having a laser or not. I have trained both with and without it so I can shoot regardless if it's on.

Just looking for your opinions if you like them, if you have them, and why or why not.
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Old 01-08-2017, 02:59 AM   #2
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I have a P938 SAS with a laser attached that is my constant companion and has been for quite some time. I really like the option of having the laser/flashlight available if needed. I'm an old timer... an iron sights kind of guy, but really like the Streamlight TLR-6 that doesn't add much weight or bulk to my front pocket carry pistol.
If something happened to the Streamlight, I would buy another one immediately. I'm not sure when I started using this, maybe a couple of years now and the original battery is still strong, and the point of aim is still on the money at 10 yards.
So, yeah I like having the option available at my fingertips, weather I use it or not.
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I put one on my 239 and found it very distracting. My current EDC is a 320SC without laser.

The bottom line is how many in LE and other professionals carry a laser.
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I used to carry a laser on a LCP - bought that way from LGS. I stopped because I found that the 'dancing red dot' was slowing down my shots. The dance got even more erratic with longer shots. It also adds unnecessary weight to a CCW. My LCP in particular isn't the most accurate of pistols, heck it barely has iron sights on it, so I use it more as a belly gun. Doesn't require much aim to stick a gun in a bad guy's gut.
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I put one on my 239 and found it very distracting. My current EDC is a 320SC without laser.

The bottom line is how many in LE and other professionals carry a laser.
I'm not in law enforcement and do not carry all of the equipment that they find useful, nor do I carry a flashlight routinely, but I do carry my EDC always. Having the flashlight built in is invaluable to me.
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I'm not in law enforcement and do not carry all of the equipment that they find useful, nor do I carry a flashlight routinely, but I do carry my EDC always. Having the flashlight built in is invaluable to me.
+1 My HD weapon has a laser too! I need glasses to sight any weapon. If I'm awoken during the night, I can see the little red dot.

Dickeydo, better to have a laser and not need it than needing it and not having it.
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I have two lasers.

I put an expensive Viridian X5l green laser/light on my HD handgun (M&P 9FS) which sits on my night stand. I want that combo of brilliant pulsing white light and steady laser beam when I first turn it on to surprise an intruder. The laser allows me to get on target quickly from any position without having to take the time to aim.

I also put a Viridian Reactor 5 green laser on my wife's EDC handgun -- P238. She is not that adept at target placement so I want to give her as much aid as possible -- especially in daylight hours. A green laser is relatively easy to spot compared to a red laser.

I do not ever intend to put a laser my carry guns, whether concealed or open carry.
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STREAMLIGHT TLR-2HLG ON EVERYTHING I HAVE EXCEPT THE MOST RECENTLY PURCHASED SIG P226 legion as I have yet to purchase it.
Why?
Because this light is 800 lumens,15000 candle power.This light will light up my entire back yard and I am half an acre.I can easily pick out a cat or other animal without the benefit of seeing the shine from their eyes at 1000-1200'.
In total darkness the green laser is visible for thousands of feet and still has the ability to wear a cat out in someone else's house.
It has a variety of settings, one is laser on steady, another steady laser and light, steady light only, burst light, burst laser ,burst laser and light, strobe light and finally strobelight with laser, all very easy to operate in the dark without seeing thus eliminating the notion that you have to prance about with this thing on giving away your position as you clear your home or property. All this is controlled by your weak side fore finger ,WITHOUT HAVING TO LOOK AROUND AND FIDDLE IF YOU'VE TRAINED AT ALL.
If you've lived in your home for over 2 years no one knows your house like you do, especially if you've trained to clear it by "Yourself".
You may simply choose from several methods but I live alone so securing my loved ones is not an issue, though my daughter knows her safe place AND PPQ when she's visiting and I know to adapt my sweep.
None the less the light,800 lumens is enough to render you blind for a few minutes if your eyes as the perp have been adjusted from slinking around with a pen light.You can literally
catch them with their eyes open and implement light only and i promise you you have at least a free 60 seconds of Pinata time if you feel like it,
Or if you so choose give them the strobe ,so much the worse, i conducted an experiment on myself when i received my three units and I'm here to tell you it was a full five minutes before i could see my own hand and fifteen minutes before the blinking and flashing ceased, and my eyes were not conditioned in the dark but a fully lit room just from 5 yards away.
As for the laser, it's quite bright and visible to the operator.Bump burst mode is where you turn it on when you need it as opposed to walking around with it on giving away your position. There is kind of a mental abuse/torture aspect I get a kick out of here as I can promise you that while sheepishly slipping around someone else's property it would be quite alarming to have a green dot on your chest center of mass without warning.
Additional areas of concern would be the groin,knees, etc.
You can be assured that when they do spot the dot dancing lazily upon themselves that the sound you hear is not them snapping their fingers but the sweet music of sphincters slamming shut.

Of course we all know to do everything you can to avoid having to kill a perp and those are just a few fleeting humorous thoughts,( i also recommend gopro if your that prepared) if not for legal purposes but a good laugh later...but all serious now,we do what we must to protect ours, and pulling the trigger is no laughing matter, but we will do what we must,
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+1 My HD weapon has a laser too! I need glasses to sight any weapon. If I'm awoken during the night, I can see the little red dot.

Dickeydo, better to have a laser and not need it than needing it and not having it.
+1. I shoot better with the night sights, wearing bifocals. If I have to get up in the middle of the night I am not going to be hunting for my glasses. Having the laser makes it easier to get the first shot generally on target. I don't know if anyone else does this but I bought Sightmark Boresights in both 9mm and 380 acp. I use them to sight in the lasers on my P938 and my wife's P238. Saves ammunition sighting in, and can be used on a regular basis to check the trigger guard laser for POA. Link to Boresights:- https://www.amazon.com/Score-SM39017...bore+sight+kit
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I do not ever intend to put a laser my carry guns, whether concealed or open carry.
What is your reasoning. Just curious.
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I am a former deputy sheriff and at one time we all had lasers on our service weapons. (beretta .40 96F) We had the lasers until one time I went to a burglary in progress. 4 of us entered the building to clear it, 3 of us had their lasers on, I didn't. The bad guy gave up when he saw us but in the interview he said he saw our lasers bouncing around and knew he was F*ed. That got everyone thinking that it gives away your position so all of patrol removed them. For SWAT we had them on our AR-15's with a pressure switch on the stock, still have them and love them.

I am torn between having a laser on my EDC. I used to carry my Beretta EDC but now it's my trusty P938. A world of difference! I got the laser as part of my package when I purchased the gun, I am wondering now if I should sell it and use that money to buy more magazines...
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I forgot to mention that one of my concerns with a laser is a) dependency and b) equipment failure. I think we've all seen equipment that wasn't supposed to fail... fail. So if you train with a laser and it fails, the second it takes to readjust could make a difference. YMMV.
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Laser, no laser....I have a Kimber with a laser grip(CT) that I do like. Its there if I want to use it and not noticed when I dont. Best of both worlds. Put a laser(CT) on my P238 with Hogue grips and removed it asap! Didn't like the idea of special holster was one reason. Second was with the Hogue grips I had to cut a slot into the grip for the laser button. The button remained recessed due to the thickness of the grips therefore to activate the laser I had to squeeze the pistol so hard it would shake. Different grips would have been one answer. My answer was to buy new Hogue grips and sell the later. Personal choice. I can do with them or without.
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Even with a lot of practice, I still find myself hunting for the red dot on the target out in daylight. I'm afraid if the laser fails, I'll be hunting for it on target not knowing it will never be there. Too late.
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Even with a lot of practice, I still find myself hunting for the red dot on the target out in daylight. I'm afraid if the laser fails, I'll be hunting for it on target not knowing it will never be there. Too late.

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