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Old 01-11-2017, 08:39 AM   #1
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Lehigh Defense ammunition - P238

After researching self defense ammunition for use in .380 ACP, which needs all the punch you can get in such a minimal caliber, I decided to use the Lehigh Extreme Defense ammunition, but was concerned about reliable cycling in my Sig P238 Trojan.
I purchased 50 bullets (56 Grain), and loaded them using Lehigh data which can be found on the their website.
I used:
-mixed cases
-5.1 grains of BE-86 gunpowder
-CCI 500 sp primers
- guestimated velocity; 1125 fps
I fired 25 rounds (admittedly a small sample) without any problems through different magazines, and the bullets grouped nicely 2" low at 6 O'Clock.
All in all, I think you can depend on reliable feeding in an actual self-defense situation, although more testing would be worthwhile.
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Old 01-11-2017, 10:02 AM   #2
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Hi Nelson

Interesting approach you took to evaluating the Lehigh ammo. I think most folks recommend shooting at least a box of ammo to be comfortable with using it for defensive carry. I would ask why you didn't just buy a box of Lehigh ammo to test the commercial ammo? It sounds like you are planning on using their recipe to load your own defensive ammo. Please note that there's a general consensus that it's best to use commercially produced defensive ammo from a legal liability standpoint in the event the unfortunate may happen.

I also have a P238 that's in my carry rotation (mainly got it for the wife, but I like it too [geez, I sound like "Irish Spring"]). I researched defensive ammo for the 380, and the following were recommended based on FBI gelatin tests for expansion and penetration:
Precision One XTP, Fiocchi Extrema, Federal Hydroshock, HPR Hyperclean TMJ, and Hornady Custom XTP. Check out this excellent summary of defensive 380 testing: https://youtu.be/GNtPHYwcDts?t=5

Hope this helps!
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Ive run 100 rounds of their deep penetrator through mine with no issues. I had some initial concerns as well given the shape of the bullet but the 238 just eats it up.
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Hi Nelson

Please note that there's a general consensus that it's best to use commercially produced defensive ammo from a legal liability standpoint in the event the unfortunate may happen.

I also have a P238 that's in my carry rotation (mainly got it for the wife, but I like it too [geez, I sound like "Irish Spring"]). I researched defensive ammo for the 380, and the following were recommended based on FBI gelatin tests for expansion and penetration:
Precision One XTP, Fiocchi Extrema, Federal Hydroshock, HPR Hyperclean TMJ, and Hornady Custom XTP. Check out this excellent summary of defensive 380 testing: https://youtu.be/GNtPHYwcDts?t=5

Hope this helps!
Like Geobob I have kept to commercially produced defensive ammo. My wife carry's Precision One XTP's also. However looking at the Ammo Quest Lehigh review they look to be an interesting option. Another source of test results is Lucky Gunner:- http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self...tic-tests/#9mm. Don't be put off by the 9mm in the link they cover most calibers.
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Ive run 100 rounds of their deep penetrator through mine with no issues. I had some initial concerns as well given the shape of the bullet but the 238 just eats it up.
Actually, this reply was what I was hoping to receive; additional data on reliability with the different Lehigh bullet shape.
My choice to purchase 50 bullets to reload instead of testing 20 factory loaded rounds was financial. They both cost about the same.
All results on reliability so far have been great from either reloads or factory loads.
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Please note that there's a general consensus that it's best to use commercially produced defensive ammo from a legal liability standpoint in the event the unfortunate may happen.
Explain why? What liability?
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Just asking. Isn't 56 gr somewhat light??

I've been using the Federal HST JHP 90 gr without issue.

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I've run no less than 100 rounds of the Lehigh 90gr Xtreme Penetrator through my p238. I've had zero feeding problems. Having said that I'm still not carrying it. Still carrying Precision One 90gr XTP based on the Ammo Quest video tests. As much as I like the concept of how the Lehigh bullet works, I've just not gotten comfortable enough with it yet to give up the XTP.
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I've run no less than 100 rounds of the Lehigh 90gr Xtreme Penetrator through my p238. I've had zero feeding problems. Having said that I'm still not carrying it. Still carrying Precision One 90gr XTP based on the Ammo Quest video tests. As much as I like the concept of how the Lehigh bullet works, I've just not gotten comfortable enough with it yet to give up the XTP.
Also the Lehigh's are around $28 for 20 and the Precision One's are around $28 for 50. Being cheap I am more likely to practice with the Precision One's to ensure functioning than the Lehigh's. $1.40 per trigger pull makes me cringe.
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