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Old 02-09-2017, 01:09 AM   #31
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I always carry my Sig P238, Cocked and locked with a round in the chamber.

First thing I do is rack the slide and leave it open. I place the thumb safety on and leave it on.
I place a single .380 cartridge in the chamber and release the slide. It will close fast and lock the Cartridge in place. The thumb safety is already on. The Slide is in battery and the thumb safety is on SAFE.
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Placing a round in the chamber and releasing the slide is one way to break your extractor. This forces the extractor over the cartridge rim rather than sliding up the groove in the rim. The ideal way to load is have the slide back with safety on. Insert a loaded magazine. Pull slide back and release to chamber a round. Remove magazine and top off and reinsert magazine.
^ ^ ^ Yes but what you describe is more than just ideal, it is the only way to protect the extractor when chambering a round in this pistol.


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Old 02-09-2017, 03:09 AM   #32
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I didn't read every post but my daughter bought her a P938 today and I asked her if she wanted on in the chamber.She said no. I gave her the reasoning on why she needs to have one in the chamber at all times.I told her it's SAO so she will have to pull the hammer back before it will shoot. I told her if she needed to use it then it would take to long to chamber one and it could be a life or death situation.I told her all she has to do is pull the hammer back and she can shoot. I won't tell her to have one in the chamber and the hammer already back and have the safety on. For me,I am not comfortable with doing it myself. I can still pull the hammer back and have the gun in the same hand so I feel more comfortable doing it that way. I have horrible luck so I'd be the one that would shoot myself or someone else because if it. I try to be as careful and safe as possible with all firearms. Once that bullet comes out of the barrel and hits whatever it hits,it's all on me and I really would hate to hurt an innocent person. I'd actually hate to have to ever use my firearm in to defend myself,but if my life is in danger,then I have to do what I feel is needed. I'd rather have it with me and not need it then not have it with me and need it.
I'm sorry, there is no safe way to drop the hammer on a P938 with a round in the chamber to carry as you describe.
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For those empty chamber carry people:

https://youtu.be/jhTyG-8ShsQ
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I didn't read every post but my daughter bought her a P938 today and I asked her if she wanted on in the chamber.She said no. I gave her the reasoning on why she needs to have one in the chamber at all times.I told her it's SAO so she will have to pull the hammer back before it will shoot. I told her if she needed to use it then it would take to long to chamber one and it could be a life or death situation.I told her all she has to do is pull the hammer back and she can shoot. I won't tell her to have one in the chamber and the hammer already back and have the safety on. For me,I am not comfortable with doing it myself. I can still pull the hammer back and have the gun in the same hand so I feel more comfortable doing it that way. I have horrible luck so I'd be the one that would shoot myself or someone else because if it. I try to be as careful and safe as possible with all firearms. Once that bullet comes out of the barrel and hits whatever it hits,it's all on me and I really would hate to hurt an innocent person. I'd actually hate to have to ever use my firearm in to defend myself,but if my life is in danger,then I have to do what I feel is needed. I'd rather have it with me and not need it then not have it with me and need it.
God forbid... in a "stress situation," your daughter might draw her weapon and then fumble with the hammer. Do you see the problem here? She'd be lucky if she doesn't drop the gun in the process... or "fan" the hammer and not get it all the way back... or accidentally discharge a round into the ground.

Snicking the thumb safety off is easy and intuitive (if you've trained properly) and it keeps your grip right where it needs to be. John Moses Browning wasn't an idiot. But getting a thumb behind the hammer to cock it back requires rolling your grip up, cocking the hammer back, then readjusting your grip. That's not how Browning intended his gun to ever be used. That could take several seconds... best case scenario... again... if you don't drop the gun in the process... or "fan" the hammer and not get it all the way back... or accidentally discharge a round into the ground.
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God forbid... in a "stress situation," your daughter might draw her weapon and then fumble with the hammer. Do you see the problem here? She'd be lucky if she doesn't drop the gun in the process... or "fan" the hammer and not get it all the way back... or accidentally discharge a round into the ground.

Snicking the thumb safety off is easy and intuitive (if you've trained properly) and it keeps your grip right where it needs to be. John Moses Browning wasn't an idiot. But getting a thumb behind the hammer to cock it back requires rolling your grip up, cocking the hammer back, then readjusting your grip. That's not how Browning intended his gun to ever be used. That could take several seconds... best case scenario... again... if you don't drop the gun in the process... or "fan" the hammer and not get it all the way back... or accidentally discharge a round into the ground.
Please, please listen to what MG1964 has to say. What Shawn156 is advocating here is potentially dangerous.
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Get a pocket holster that covers not only the trigger but the safety too. The hammer isn't going to drop.

If you don't have a round in the chamber and ready you might as well leave it at home.
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I have carried cocked and locked in a Remora clipless IBW for about 10 years. The first seven with a Sig P-238 Equinox (.380). The last 3+ years the 938 Equinox. Tried pocket carry and hate it. The Remora is very comfortable and stays in place. The first Remora I had I was very skeptical for the first few weeks. In the 10 years I have zero problems.
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It always makes me angry when people say " you might as well not have a gun" when discussing empty chamber carry
There are several arguments for and against this style of carry
It is slower, takes longer, requires 2 hands and you can short stroke the slide
It is safer as the gun cannot go off if the chamber is empty
There is no arguing that it is the preferred method of carry by the entire armed population of the nation of Israel
Israeli carry has even become another name for empty chamber carry
Israeli citizens have stopped numerous terrorist attacks as well as ordinary crimes using this method of carry
You cannot argue that all these people should have left their guns at home
They did shoot all those terrorists and criminals.
Just took them a few seconds longer and they had to put the baby/groceries/whatever on the ground first
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It always makes me angry when people say " you might as well not have a gun" when discussing empty chamber carry
There are several arguments for and against this style of carry
It is slower, takes longer, requires 2 hands and you can short stroke the slide
It is safer as the gun cannot go off if the chamber is empty
There is no arguing that it is the preferred method of carry by the entire armed population of the nation of Israel
Israeli carry has even become another name for empty chamber carry
Israeli citizens have stopped numerous terrorist attacks as well as ordinary crimes using this method of carry
You cannot argue that all these people should have left their guns at home
They did shoot all those terrorists and criminals.
Just took them a few seconds longer and they had to put the baby/groceries/whatever on the ground first
Even though the Israeli's carry with an empty chamber it can still nearly get them killed:- http://preparedgunowners.com/2015/10...bbed-to-death/ and they are highly trained
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Get a pocket holster that covers not only the trigger but the safety too. The hammer isn't going to drop.

If you don't have a round in the chamber and ready you might as well leave it at home.
I have only been carrying mine a couple of months now, and the leather of my Red Dog Leather pocket holster has molded to the shape of the safety levers on my P938, so I have no fear that it will disengage while in my pocket. Previously I had been very nervous about carrying like this, now it's second nature.
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I have only been carrying mine a couple of months now, and the leather of my Red Dog Leather pocket holster has molded to the shape of the safety levers on my P938, so I have no fear that it will disengage while in my pocket. Previously I had been very nervous about carrying like this, now it's second nature.
I was wondering about the safety myself when I first got the 938. I think people who worry about carrying with it in condition one are used to DA/SA or inexperienced shooters. I was the latter.

No way that safety is disengaging unless you do it with your finger. It's just too stiff for good reason. However, I would not use a pocket holster without a safety cover

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As have some others, I've changed my P938's to single sided safety using the safety lever and hammer pivot pin for the P238, parts purchased from SIG (not expensive). There is a downside of course, not as practical or quick for lefties or off hand use. But, this provides an almost fool proof method of insuring the safety stays engaged when carrying, even when the holster does not cover the ambi-side of the safety. I don't normally pocket this gun, but do crawl around and can bump an exposed right side safety off - - even so, one would need to have poor trigger discipline to experience an negligent discharge.

I agree it in not a good idea to hand drop a round into the chamber and let the slide drive to battery when loading the gun. True, it's safe to do as there are two safeties at this point, but it's hard on that little MIM extractor hook, as previously mentioned. There's a workaround without doing the strip it from the mag routine. Lower the slide gently on the chambered round. The gun will stop short of battery. Now use the plastic base of the magazine (or similar non marring object) to push inward on the rearmost end of the extractor. This will move the extractor claw outward to gently move over the case rim and the slide will "snick" into battery. (I did not originate this idea - posted on our forum a couple of years back by another.)

On the whole Israeli carry thing, as was the case in the '70's USN, even in foreign ports we could not even have a loaded magazine in the 1911 when on guard duty. This foolishness was borne of upper command's decision to let us individually carry more risk in the name of "improving safety", or in other words, top brass didn't trust the rank and file. Very similar to the military not being armed on US bases. Inexcusable.
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I think before even considering carry, one needs to be fully used to, and fully trust the gun along with how the gun is meant to work.
It is not at all for the inexperienced.

One way to get used to the 938 cocked & locked is to carry chamber empty and cocked & locked.
Take a week or a month, and see if the safety stays on, and the hammer back.

I like SAO, and I do that with any new holster, as part of the trusting process.

It is not just trusting the gun. Trusting the way one chooses to carry. It takes time, and experimentation. It takes building technique.
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Placing a round in the chamber and releasing the slide is one way to break your extractor. This forces the extractor over the cartridge rim rather than sliding up the groove in the rim. The ideal way to load is have the slide back with safety on. Insert a loaded magazine. Pull slide back and release to chamber a round. Remove magazine and top off and reinsert magazine.
Good information.
I will do that from now on.
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Personally, I would never pocket carry a SA gun, even in a good holster. There are too many variables that make me nervous about the prospect.
Would you pocket carry a striker-fired weapon in a "good holster"?
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