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Old 02-20-2017, 12:41 PM   #46
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I promise you; if you carry condition 2 you're going to lose critical time in your OODA loop and could result in... you know. Carry condition 1, plus that safety is not coming off unless you take it off.
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Old 04-16-2017, 04:03 PM   #47
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If you carry the LCP in condition 3, I see no reason why you should fear the 939 in Condition 3. I pocket carry a Sig 238 Condition 1, Cocked and Locked, in a DeSantis Superfly pocket holster, and have done so for years.

I agree with @Malicious Compliance as far as carrying it cocked but with an empty chamber for a period of time to determine if you can acclimate to it. Everyone is different. The reason we discuss conditions of carry is that there are different ways to do it. Pick what is best for you and then practice, practice. Also don't forget how much pocket lint can accumulate in the weapon. Check it frequently.
Of all the conditions of carry i have ever heard and debated, only condition 0--Cocked, locked, safety off--is WRONG. The others all have their merits. My next door neighbor (certified gun nut, and world renowned great guy) carries condition 3. I disagree, but he is most comfortable that way. Pick a way, be comfortable, practice.
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Old 04-16-2017, 04:12 PM   #48
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First thing I do is rack the slide and leave it open. I place the thumb safety on and leave it on.
I place a single .380 cartridge in the chamber and release the slide. It will close fast and lock the Cartridge in place. The thumb safety is already on. The Slide is in battery and the thumb safety is on SAFE.
I came to handgun shooting and personal defense from shotguns. Loading this way is perfectly fine for shotguns and is even a great way to switch from birdshot to buckshot or slugs DURING an armed encounter if necessary--which I have practiced. While fine for long guns and shotguns, it is NOT fine for pistols. I broke an extractor doing this and took the weappon to a gunsmith, who promptly fixed it. Next range trip, I broke another and then broke the same weapon that the gunsmith had just fixed. he said, "how are you breaking these? Show me how you fire." So I did and he laughed at me. Have not done it since.
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P938 Pocket carry - proper condition

The 938 has got a lot of safety features: thumb safety, half cock / intercept notch in case the hammer were to fall without a trigger pull, and a firing pin block. Throw a holster on top of that to protect the trigger. So many things would have to go wrong for that thing to accidentally go bang. I've had the same concerns. Once you evaluate how each of those safeties work together, I think you will come to the same conclusion... condition 1 in a holster. That's a lot more than the typical striker fired (glock, etc).

I do get it though.. the thought of accidental discharge and possibly hurting someone is unthinkable. Do your research, take the advice given in this thread and come to your own conclusion...

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Old 04-17-2017, 07:34 AM   #50
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This is the video that changed my and my wife's mind.


We own a P238 and a p938 for conceal carry. When we first got them, we were nervous about carrying cocked and locked (even with the safety on). We went for a few months carrying empty.

However, seeing this guy laying on the floor desperately trying to get a round in the chamber as he's laying there to die is so sad. To us, it showed how important it is to be ready to go.

I'm not trying to debate this video as there's been pages and pages on it in multiple forums. I'm just trying to show what changed my mind on being ready. I'm hoping it helps someone else like me!
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[I]I have carried a Sig P-238 in condition one for well over 10 years in a Remora holster. I retired it almost 3 years ago and replaced it with it's big brother a 938 again with a Remora. I find that it's a little to big for pocket carry and do inside the wast band. Yes I have it in condition one. I have not had a problem in all of those years. I can't see carrying any other way.
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First, the SAO gun was never intended to be carried in the pocket. They were created as duty type guns to be worn on the hip. Secondly, I would never carry a SAO gun in my pocket cocked and locked. If I were you I would stick with the Ruger as a pocket gun. If you just have to carry the 938, in the pocket, I recommend carrying it with an empty chamber or hammer down. Otherwise you're begging for a hole in the leg.
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This is the video that changed my and my wife's mind.

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We own a P238 and a p938 for conceal carry. When we first got them, we were nervous about carrying cocked and locked (even with the safety on). We went for a few months carrying empty.

However, seeing this guy laying on the floor desperately trying to get a round in the chamber as he's laying there to die is so sad. To us, it showed how important it is to be ready to go.

I'm not trying to debate this video as there's been pages and pages on it in multiple forums. I'm just trying to show what changed my mind on being ready. I'm hoping it helps someone else like me!
Personally, I think it is foolish to carry a pocket gun as your primary carry gun. If you think it's tough getting your gun out from an IWB or OWB holster, try getting it out of a pocket, especially a gun the size of the 938. If you're not a pretty cool customer you're going to run into trouble. Having a pocket gun as a back up is fine, but it isn't for me. I know a lot of people do it, and to each his own, but as I said...it's not my preferred carry method.
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I promise you; if you carry condition 2 you're going to lose critical time in your OODA loop and could result in... you know. Carry condition 1, plus that safety is not coming off unless you take it off.
If you carry a gun in your pocket you're going to lose critical time...especially if you're ambushed or confronted by a BG with a gun already drawn. It's better than nothing, but still...good luck!
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If you carry a gun in your pocket you're going to lose critical time...especially if you're ambushed or confronted by a BG with a gun already drawn. It's better than nothing, but still...good luck!
FYI...we carry our P238 and P938 IWB. We do not pocket carry them. My post was really just addressing the carrying empty part of the thread.
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FYI...we carry our P238 and P938 IWB. We do not pocket carry them. My post was really just addressing the carrying empty part of the thread.
I'm glad to hear that! I understood what you were addressing...I just wanted to touch base on the concept of "pocket carry". I believe it is inherently dangerous to begin with, but especially with a SAO gun, but as it relates to critical time lost, one might as well be carrying with an empty chamber if they're carrying a gun in the pocket. I'm sure there will be someone who defends the practice adamantly, but I would like to see the stats on those who were successful in a gun fight who carried their gun in the pocket.

One guy argued that b/c he was a Vietnam era combat veteran he would be able to get his Kimber Ultra Carry 45 out of his pocket quick enough to get a shot off b/c he wore shorts with oversized pockets. Frankly, he turned out to be an idiot, but to him I simply said "good luck with that". A pocket gun is better than nothing at all, but I hope no one who carries that as a primary defense gun expects to be able to respond quickly with their gun.
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