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Old 02-03-2016, 08:44 AM   #16
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my jam occurred after shooting, and the slide lever was stuck in takedown position. it was as if I was pushing on right side removal part. gun was in normal vertical position. don't see what would have motivated slide stop to move out that way. I've sent gun in to Sig for evaluation. e-mail says 3-4 weeks turnaround.
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Old 02-03-2016, 10:22 AM   #17
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I'll be very interested to hear what SIG does to correct it. Should be a note in the case when it returns.
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Old 02-11-2016, 10:35 AM   #18
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Update - Just received gun back via Fedex ground. Under customer comments it says "slide lock lever falls out when shooting". Simply inaccurate description of what I originally called in. The slide lock lever jammed on the slide while shooting.

Gunsmith comments: "replaced slide catch lever spring, test fired hollow point and ball with range mags, no malfunctions".

Well, now I have the third spring on this and I can tell you that there's no difference whatsoever from the first one.

So I called Sig. The guy just repeated gunsmith comments. Said yea, the slide levers tend to be really loose, and people loose them all the time. They recommend holding a bag or something close to catch it when breaking down pistol. I'm like "I'm not having a problem with loosing the lever, I have a problem with operational reliability!"

So they say there's no problem and I say that there is. Any more problems, call Sig...
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Old 02-11-2016, 10:53 AM   #19
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A disappointing response to say the least.
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Old 02-11-2016, 11:47 AM   #20
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Yeah, sometimes you get a bad CS agent and_or a bad tech. There's good people there but it really seems to be the luck of the draw.

Shoot the He'll out of it and see if you can get it to fail again. I must have put 3k rounds down both my problematic 938s just testing their "fixes".

As always, keep the shipping box handy.
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The "Slide Lock Falls Out" issue baffles me. The slide lock can come out only if the slide is positioned within a very narrow range of its travel. In recoil, the slide is at that position for a VERY short time interval, so it seems improbable to me that the slide lock would fall out even if the gun were held left-side-down, and the slide lock spring was totally missing.

From the reports, I accept the fact that it does happen, but I can't understand how.

Well, maybe if your ammo PF was such that the slide was driven back exactly to the magic point, and no further, the change of direction would let it linger at that magic spot long enough for fall out to occur… if the gun was held left-side-down.
I couldn't see how it could happen either until it happened to me ..

I think I came up with the reason and how it does it as I have now done it three times .. and can now do any time I want to ..

Sitting here playing with my pistol last night racking the slide and dry firing my P238 .. was watching TV at the same time .. not really paying attention to what I was doing all the time .. I had just lubed the pistol and had put everything back together .. it was pretty wet with Frog Lube which is what I use and makes metal very slick ..

I was racking the slide but not sling shoting it .. my trigger finger was along the slide on the right side (I'm right handed ) and as I racked it the slide stop lever came out enough that it wouldn't go into battery as I released it .. My trigger finger had inadvertently pressed on the right side of the slide lever as you would do to press it out to remove it while it was rotated to the left ..(left side of the slide pointing toward the ground) and in that instant the lever did come out .. not completely but enough to fall out where my left hand holding the slide stopped it from completely falling out ..

The first time I did it I couldn't figure out what I had done .. I retraced my steps in what I would call semi slow motion and it wouldn't do it .. then I very lightly pressed on the nub of the slide release that sticks out slightly from the pistol on the right side and did it again as I slowly drew the slide back .. racking the slide fast it doesn't do it every time but every once in awhile the light pressure of my finger does make the lever move ..

I was very surprised it came out so easily .. and the pressure my trigger finger exerted on the nub was very light ..

not sure if this is the reason but I would bet she is lightly pressing on the slide lever where it sticks out on the right side .. shouldn't do it when firing the pistol as the slide would be moving much faster in that instance ..

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There isn't anything wrong with her pistol or mine .. it is caused by us slightly pushing on the right side of the slide release lever with our trigger finger .. while slowly racking the slide .. at the same time having the left side of the pistol facing the ground .. holding the pistol up right it doesn't move at all ..

Hope this helps everyone having this problem .. Seems we are the problem not the pistol being the cause ..
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There isn't anything wrong with her pistol or mine .. it is caused by us slightly pushing on the right side of the slide release lever with our trigger finger .. while slowly racking the slide .. at the same time having the left side of the pistol facing the ground .. holding the pistol up right it doesn't move at all ..

Hope this helps everyone having this problem .. Seems we are the problem not the pistol being the cause ..
I agree that it's possible to induce this failure by pressing on the right side of the slide stop lever. Not long ago we had a member reporting a slide stop problem and discussed the possibility of the trigger finger position being the cause. Haven't heard any followup comments from that individual (not unusual) indicating if the problem was resolved or not by moving the trigger finger.

If the slide lock moves when firing and jambs the slide, it's not likely that the shooters trigger finger was on the slide lock at the time. Could it have been on the slide lock prior to firing and shifted the slide lock out of position? I'd have to say it's possible. Certainly something to consider and be mindful of.

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Old 02-16-2016, 03:58 PM   #24
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Here's something I found. I purchased a new slide stop from I wanted it in nickel and my orig was showing ware.
When I installed the new unit I noticed it would move out every time it engaged.
what I found was it would hit the slide when engaging, it actually wouldn't engage manually without moving it away from the frame. There is a lip on the old unit that allows the lock to move past the slide. showed this to sig and they said all new units don't have this step. and maybe it needs to brake in. the step in the old unit is not the result of ware. pics show diff.
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I'm glad I found this topic. After saving up for I thought would be the perfect gun, all it does is fall apart... literally. I decided to clean it before taking it out for it's first shoot. It was then that the slide lock would fall out. So I had the guys at the gun store take a second look. They could only make the slide lock fall out by pressing on the right side, while tilting to the left, while sliding it back. Thinking it was just me, I took it to the range and took special care not to do any of the above things. After only one shot (the only shot for this brand new expensive gun), the slide lock partially came out - just enough to jam it up. It will be shipped to Sig tomorrow. Needless to say, I will not shoot it again until it gets fixed.
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:30 PM   #26
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I had the same issue, bought at gander mountain and took it back the next day cause pin was coming out and locking slide in place. They refused to help even though I had it less than 24 hours. I called Sig and was told issue was normal due to design of the gun. He told me just to make sure I held gun up straight while shooting, otherwise pin might come out. I expected better quality for the price, not to mention better customer service. First and last Sig I ever buy.
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I had taken my 938 to the range 2 days ago. Came home and cleaned it. When I put it back together, I did something wrong. barrel was not in correct position when I racked it. Seem like it was stuck(apparently the barrel was not sitting in frame correctly). Had a hard time getting the slide to move. Turned the gun so left side was down pulled on barrel, then pushed on it. Slide moved and slide lock fell out. Took it apart and tried to do the same thing again. Was able to reproduce this, went through same procedure and again the slide lock just fell out. What it looks like to me is that the barrel was not in correctly so slide lock was not sitting correctly and that was why it would not lock in place. Tried to get slide lock out when the slide was hard to move. The slide lock would not come out until it was lined up in the release position on the frame.
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I had taken my 938 to the range 2 days ago. Came home and cleaned it. When I put it back together, I did something wrong. barrel was not in correct position when I racked it. Seem like it was stuck(apparently the barrel was not sitting in frame correctly). Had a hard time getting the slide to move. Turned the gun so left side was down pulled on barrel, then pushed on it. Slide moved and slide lock fell out. Took it apart and tried to do the same thing again. Was able to reproduce this, went through same procedure and again the slide lock just fell out. What it looks like to me is that the barrel was not in correctly so slide lock was not sitting correctly and that was why it would not lock in place. Tried to get slide lock out when the slide was hard to move. The slide lock would not come out until it was lined up in the release position on the frame.
It is very easy to mis-align the barrel when re-assembling the 938. Usually, you can't move anything if it's not right.

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It's a known issue, um I mean design. I have the same problem with both my P238 & P938. After calling Sig and complaining, they told me the same thing.

After realizing the design, I decided it was more user error than anything (minus the bad design). You have to make sure when you are moving the slide, you do it very quickly. If you pull slower, and the gun is tilted to the left, the slide can fall out. And it makes sense because once the half moon area is over it, it can come out because that's how you get it out (it is a "non-captured" slide as Sig calls it).

If for example, you pull the slide back to look in the chamber and turn the gun while doing so, it's probably going to fall out because the half moon is going to go over the slide stop at some point. Pull it back until the slide gets caught in the slide stop catch and you'll be good to go.

Since understanding this, I rack the slide quickly (or better yet, use the slide catch and push the button). I haven't had any issues since.
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New P938 Slide Lock Falls Out

I bought a new Sig P938 SAS yesterday. Today I noticed that if the pistol held horizontal while racking the slide, the slide lock falls out.
This is a brand new gun and has never been disassembled. I have read the thread; the consensus seems to be that the slide tab has to be under the spring, but I can't see the spring when the lever is installed, so I am not sure how to check that.
Is this something I should talk to SIG about?
Is it OK to fire the weapon? I really want to try it out.
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