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How to Determine Original (Old) vs Revised (New) Main Spring Housing

This is a discussion on How to Determine Original (Old) vs Revised (New) Main Spring Housing within the P238, P938 Pistol forums, part of the SIG Sauer Pistols category; I posted my experience with Sig CS (in a different forum) a few weeks ago concerning the MSH issue with the P238. The short version ...


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Old 02-07-2016, 11:59 AM   #31
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I posted my experience with Sig CS (in a different forum) a few weeks ago concerning the MSH issue with the P238. The short version is, Sig has had no failure complaints regarding the P238 model so updating the MSH to the new design IS NOT covered under warranty for the 380ACP model. It can be done (obviously) but the customer would have to pay for it (and shipping charges of $55 isn't covered also). I didn't ask how much they would charge to swap out the old MSH design for the new one.


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Old 02-09-2016, 05:58 AM   #32
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Interesting thread. I took off the left grip this morning and confirmed my 938 has Gen 1 (manufacture date June 2015). The gun only has ~80 rounds through it but I will check tonight for any wear.

I called Sig and the rep repeated that (a) this is not a mandatory upgrade but (b) I could send it in and they'd have their gunsmith inspect to see if the replacement is needed -- if so it would be treated as a warranty repair.

I feel like if I send it in now, new, they'll say nothing is wrong and send it back. Any thoughts?
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If they'll give you a shipping lable send it back. You'll probably get a new mag release spring too. That's what happened in my case.

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If they'll give you a shipping lable send it back. You'll probably get a new mag release spring too. That's what happened in my case.

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Yep, they sent the label. Anyone have a suggestion on what I should write in my "brief note to the gunsmith" to further my chances of getting the MSH replaced?
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Old 02-09-2016, 10:03 AM   #35
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I'd tell them that you use the pistol for SD, you will be shooting it a lot, you like it a lot and want it to be as reliable and durable as possible.

I have no idea how convincing that would be to them but it's worth a try. I'm guessing that once it's back there, they will make the change.
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I'd tell them that you use the pistol for SD, you will be shooting it a lot, you like it a lot and want it to be as reliable and durable as possible.

I have no idea how convincing that would be to them but it's worth a try. I'm guessing that once it's back there, they will make the change.
Thanks for the advice! For what it's worth, here's what I'm sending:

I have sent in my pistol referenced above for warranty replacement of the main spring housing (MSH) and sear spring. I purchased the pistol in January, and learned shortly thereafter of potential long term wear issues with the “older” MSH design. I removed the left grip and confirmed my pistol has the older version.

I did a lot of research and chose Sig Sauer because of your reputation for quality. I purchased this pistol for self defense and it will be my carry weapon. I have only put less than 100 rounds through so far and there is no sign of wear, but I will be shooting this pistol a lot at the range and it’s extremely important to me that the gun be as reliable and durable as possible. This is the reason why I’m requesting that the MSH be replaced with the newer (more reliable) version.

Thank you very much.


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Edit: Update -- they have my pistol...now crossing my fingers...

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Damn I'am glad I joined this site. Just picked up a brand new 938 today prior to reading any of the issues with the old MSH on the 938's. My born on date is July 23, 2015 and I immediately got nervous until I removed the grip and found it is a gen 2, that was a close call!!
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My best guess would be Aug 2015 or later. That should at least get you the new MSH/sear spring design.

Based on modelbuilder's posting above, that's pretty darn good advise, ThnkFrst!


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How to Determine Original (Old) vs Revised (New) Main Spring Housing

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I called Sig and the rep repeated that (a) this is not a mandatory upgrade...

This (above), I just don't get.

If Sig has gone to the trouble to incorporate a new design into their production guns (a tacit admission that something wasn't quite right with the "old" design), you'd think they wouldn't hesitate retrofitting the existing customer base. It's those customers' purchases that have gotten them this far! And when you combine the idea that most people are buying this model, P938 (& P238), primarily for "last resort" life saving, self-defensive purposes again, you'd think they [Sig] would want the most reliable product version possible out there in the hands of their customers! (If for no other reason than as an additional safeguard against liability lawsuits).

I don't like the nagging little doubt in the back of my mind concerning my EDC (P238) this situation has left me with. Of course taking Sig's word at face value, there is nothing for me to worry about with my P238: it's reliable (which is why they don't offer warranty coverage for that model). I suppose there's always the option, I could pay for the change out myself - a minimum 20% cost of the price I paid for the gun new. Undoubtedly I'll either "get over" the nagging little doubt OR I'll sell it and move on (having bought my first and last Sig). I, for one, am less a fan of Sig Sauer now than I was before.



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Well, just got the shipping notification that my 938 is on its way home (to be delivered Monday). No phone call or email from Sig about what was done, and no invoice for any charges, so I'm crossing my fingers they simply replaced the MSH as a warranty repair as I requested. I'll be sure to let you all know on Monday afternoon.
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....I'm crossing my fingers they simply replaced the MSH as a warranty repair as I requested. I'll be sure to let you all know on Monday afternoon.

I'm betting that's what they did (i.e., put in the new design MSH). Yes, pls let us know.


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Good news; my 938 returned today with a note that the MSH and mag catch were "upgraded" at no charge. I confirmed the new MSH.

I think this is Sig-nificant (sorry) since my 938 is new and showed no signs of wear.

I performed my first disassembly and also replaced the trigger; can't wait to get back to the range this weekend!
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Since my wife decided she didn't like the stiff slide and loooong DA-only trigger pull of her Sig P290RS and appropriated MY P238, which is now "hers" , I had to buy another 238, which I picked up today. I was amazed - the build date on it is 08 February, three weeks ago. The one that's now "Hers", bought new in January, was dated mid-June, 2015.
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JohnZ, I'd be interested to know if this newest P238 was built with the original MSH design or does it have the new style
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JohnZ, I'd be interested to know if this newest P238 was built with the original MSH design or does it have the new style
The new one has the new MSH design.
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