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Old 04-09-2017, 10:30 AM   #1
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Disappointing P320c 9mm

After 1200 rounds it has been sent to Sig for service.

I was having jamming problems from the start, many suggested limp wristing was the cause. I added Talon grips and spent time with trainer but still jamming. By jamming, I mean the spent casing was stuck in the barrel. Sometimes I needed something pry the casing out. Sig customer service said it's normal and a 1-2% failure is well within normal range. I find the % to be higher than I would expect. It was suggested to put more rounds (1000+) through it. I was also told that limp wristing was what causes the casing to be stuck in the barrel.

It's very frustrating shooting a gun that jams that often.

Meanwhile my LGS had a sale on M&P Shield, so I picked one up for $319. Having been in manufacturing for over 30 yrs it was clear the Sig is built much better than the Shield, the finish and quality of build between the 2 was clear. I was worried that if I am limp wristing with the P320c, then a smaller gun will be even worse. Nope, not a single jam in 350 rounds through the Shield.

I spent time shooting them side by side, if the Sig jammed, I ran the rest of that box of ammo through the Shield with no problem.

Finally the Sig trigger wouldn't reset. I had multiple RSO's look at it and they said it's broken. The LGS checked it out and said the same thing and shipped it to Sig. They said Sig will likely charge me for the repair and shipping. Great more $$.

Did the jamming cause the trigger problem?

Yes, I did clean and lube the gun prior to shooting the first time and after every time I shot it. I also was told that "Sig's like to run wet", so I brought lube to the range - the rails and outside of the barrel.

I shot multiple brands (Remington, Blazer Brass, etc...) and multiple grains (mostly 115, but some 124). All brass, no reloads.

Did I get a lemon?

When it's returned from Sig, I don't know if I trust it for home defense. I recall my CCW instructor saying a gun used for defense should be thought of like a parachute, you need to be able to trust it.
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Old 04-09-2017, 10:55 AM   #2
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Sounds like you got a lemon. Give SIG CS a chance. When it is returned run a bunch of ammo through it, including your self defense ammo. I am sure you will be confident in it once you see that it runs OK.
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I highly doubt you will charged for the repairs. Don't expect an invoice. Were you running different types of ammo or a single brand. What kind of ammo were you using. This will help the community asses.
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I highly doubt you will charged for the repairs. Don't expect an invoice. Were you running different types of ammo or a single brand. What kind of ammo were you using. This will help the community asses.
No reason to call us all names. (Assess)
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I highly doubt you will charged for the repairs. Don't expect an invoice. Were you running different types of ammo or a single brand. What kind of ammo were you using. This will help the community asses.
I shot multiple brands (Remington, Blazer Brass, etc...) and multiple grains (mostly 115, but some 124). All brass, no reloads.
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I only have 400 rounds through mine, bought 2 weeks ago, not a single jam using various 115g FMJ target, 124G inexpensive hollow points, 147G FMJ, or Hornady 9mm +P 124g XTP. I think it shot the XTP best, IMO, but that really is not a cheap paper target round....
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Asses...pretty much nailed all of us.
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Hard to second guess any problem short of having another shooter that you respect give it a try to see if others get any function issues but at this point sigs going to make it right .

If it comes back and you have more function issues let a friend run a few hundred thru it . The 9mm's that we have only shoot 124gr or 147 and mostly reloads . I can't remember the last time I had a handgun not work as designed even many years down the road . My p320 a 40 and is approaching 4000 rounds fired and zero problems ..


GordySig I'm sure I'm one of the ( asses ) from time to time but come on guy !! hehehe
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Just bought a Shield as well - if your was recent - don't miss the $75.00 rebate.

FWIW - around 300 through my 320 RX and Zero issues.


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After 1200 rounds it has been sent to Sig for service.

sting was what causes the casing to be stuck in the barrel.
recall my CCW instructor saying a gun used for defense should be thought of like a parachute, you need to be able to trust it.
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Meanwhile my LGS had a sale on M&P Shield, so I picked one up for $319. Having been in manufacturing for over 30 yrs it was clear the Sig is built much better than the Shield, the finish and quality of build between the 2 was clear. I was worried that if I am limp wristing with the P320c, then a smaller gun will be even worse. Nope, not a single jam in 350 rounds through the Shield.
Is that after tax and fees? That is cheap, don't forget to take advantage of S&W's $75 rebate right now. I bought my Shield two months too soon.

I know what you mean RE: fit and finish, the P320 and the Shield are my 2 most recent purchases. GL with the Sig, I'm sure SIG CS will take care of you.
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How do I find out more about the Shield rebate?
That price was retail, new in box and the LGS through in an extra 8 round mag! I asked why such a great deal and they said every couple months they do a volume buy on a couple models from a single manufacturer. They had a raffle, that included shooting a couple magazines through some higher end models. I wish they had a deal on the performance center model, loved the sights and the trigger.
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How do I find out more about the Shield rebate?
That price was retail, new in box and the LGS through in an extra 8 round mag! I asked why such a great deal and they said every couple months they do a volume buy on a couple models from a single manufacturer. They had a raffle, that included shooting a couple magazines through some higher end models. I wish they had a deal on the performance center model, loved the sights and the trigger.
Nice, I haven't pulled the trigger for another 8 rounder just yet. I did just pick up a Pearce grip to replace the flush mag.

That's a good deal, I paid $349 before tax/fees. I was torn between the standard and Performance Center. I read negative things about the ported barrel/slide (pickiness w/ ammo) so I decided against the $100 price difference. I did like the PC sights, but trigger was a marginal improvement and I figured if I had to spend an extra $100 it might be better spent on some Apex products.

Here's the rebate info:



I'm considering the PC Shield in 45 now...
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Dang, missed the rebate by a couple days. I did get a good deal so not all bad.
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After 1200 rounds it has been sent to Sig for service.

I was having jamming problems from the start, many suggested limp wristing was the cause. I added Talon grips and spent time with trainer but still jamming. By jamming, I mean the spent casing was stuck in the barrel. Sometimes I needed something pry the casing out. Sig customer service said it's normal and a 1-2% failure is well within normal range. I find the % to be higher than I would expect. It was suggested to put more rounds (1000+) through it. I was also told that limp wristing was what causes the casing to be stuck in the barrel.

It's very frustrating shooting a gun that jams that often.

Meanwhile my LGS had a sale on M&P Shield, so I picked one up for $319. Having been in manufacturing for over 30 yrs it was clear the Sig is built much better than the Shield, the finish and quality of build between the 2 was clear. I was worried that if I am limp wristing with the P320c, then a smaller gun will be even worse. Nope, not a single jam in 350 rounds through the Shield.

I spent time shooting them side by side, if the Sig jammed, I ran the rest of that box of ammo through the Shield with no problem.

Finally the Sig trigger wouldn't reset. I had multiple RSO's look at it and they said it's broken. The LGS checked it out and said the same thing and shipped it to Sig. They said Sig will likely charge me for the repair and shipping. Great more $$.

Did the jamming cause the trigger problem?

Yes, I did clean and lube the gun prior to shooting the first time and after every time I shot it. I also was told that "Sig's like to run wet", so I brought lube to the range - the rails and outside of the barrel.

I shot multiple brands (Remington, Blazer Brass, etc...) and multiple grains (mostly 115, but some 124). All brass, no reloads.

Did I get a lemon?

When it's returned from Sig, I don't know if I trust it for home defense. I recall my CCW instructor saying a gun used for defense should be thought of like a parachute, you need to be able to trust it.
i had issues with my first 320c. i had FTE issues and i sent it back to SIG and they fixed the issue for free. it was a weak extractor spring. but after a couple 100 rounds or so, I started to get FTF and FTE, so I sold it. I bought a new full size 320 and after 500 round I have no issues with it, and then i bought an xchange compact kit and so far no issues other than 1 light primer strike. i think that the compacts are having some growing pains, but the full size appears to be doing well.
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