How Bright To Set The RX For EDC - Page 2 - SIG Talk
SIG Talk Gun Forum

How Bright To Set The RX For EDC

This is a discussion on How Bright To Set The RX For EDC within the P250 & P320 Modular Pistols forums, part of the SIG Sauer Pistols category; Originally Posted by MLC7 Q. Why do we need red dots when we have iron sights? A. Because some of us have aging eyes and ...


Go Back   SIG Talk > SIG Sauer Forum > SIG Sauer Pistols > P250 & P320 Modular Pistols


P250 & P320 Modular Pistols P250, P320, and Exchange kits

Like Tree41Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-20-2017, 02:08 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
GCBHM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 3,440
Quote:
Originally Posted by MLC7 View Post
Q. Why do we need red dots when we have iron sights?
A. Because some of us have aging eyes and seeing the dot on the target is way easier / faster that irons.
At 45 my eyes aren't what they were even five years ago, but from my experience, if your can't see a standard sight or night sight, you're really not going to be able to see a little red dot much better. Granted, there are some circumstances under which a glowing red dot will make it easier for anyone to acquire a target, I don't deny that, but let's be honest, and I'm genuinely looking for a good argument to show me the advantage to the sights to warrant spending the extra money and taking on the added risk of something going wrong, not to mention adding size to my gun, how much better will the dot make you under the fight or flight stress of defense at close range?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MLC7 View Post
Q. What brightness setting should I use?
A. Whatever works best for you. I leave mine on all the time somewhere in the midrange which works for me in all but brightest direct sunlight
OK so here we see an actual disadvantage to the optic. It looks like the P320 offers a taller iron sight option so that one can switch to that, but again...at close ranges how much time to we really have to aim, and is it really worth spending the extra money for something that can fail or not work as designed?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MLC7 View Post
Q. How long does the battery last?
A. I've been EDC a compact RX for about 7 weeks now it still has the original battery.
Let's all agree these things are really cool...I agree with that! But, how bad would it suck to pull your gun and the red dot not work? Yeah, I know...we run the same risk with the red dots on our ARs, which is one reason I still don't run one on mine, but when you have something that works well for you, why spend the extra money to add something to your gun that may not work when you need it to? Of course, being aware of how long you have had a batter in is an easy thing to overcome, sure! I deal with that now with my light, but a light not working is a little less critical than my sights not working. IDK...I'm not saying no one should use these things...I admit I'm intrigued...but from where I stand today I'm not seeing it. YMMV
GCBHM is offline  
Register

Welcome to the SIG Talk Forum dedicated to SIG Sauer Pistols and SIG Sauer Rifles.

We welcome everyone and the community is free to join so register today and become part of the SIG Talk Forum!

Old 04-20-2017, 02:21 PM   #17
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: MD
Posts: 15
Once again I will reiterate the RX comes with raised fiber optic iron sights that you can use to aim regardless of if the red dot is on or off. So you can both have your cake and eat it too and stop arguing about stuff that's tangential to the thread's topic at best.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
steved13 likes this.
Wrecks is offline  
Old 04-20-2017, 02:47 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
steved13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: FL
Posts: 484
Quote:
Originally Posted by GCBHM View Post
Yeah, first, I really don't see where it's that big a deal with you, but I'll continue to play along for now...just b/c I said I'd never seen anyone post questions like this about iron sights doesn't mean I expected anyone to answer questions like this about irons sights. I think perhaps you read something else into it, but it wasn't a question...it was a statement. I thought it through and knew what I wanted to say. You're the one who seems to have misunderstood it. As I said...it wasn't a question. It was a statement of fact as it relates to what I've seen, or haven't seen, rather. As to why I would chime in at all...have you ever heard of the concept of playing the devil's advocate in order to get others to make an argument for something so that you can gather pertinent information you hadn't considered before? Just food for thought.

Dude, it was the equivalent of someone chiming in on a thread about sight pushers and commenting that you never see people asking about sight pushers with reflex sights. It's a bone head statement. If you don't want to own it, fine I don't really care.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GCBHM View Post
OK, so as I stated, I think he was asking where to keep a general setting, but again, my point was that it's not a necessary device as I see it, and I don't want to have to fiddle with making the adjustments, especially when it isn't necessary, whether they "need" to be made much or not. ANY adjustment is unnecessary at all. Now, if someone wants to run it, fine, I have no problem with it, and I'll admit, I am intrigued by the whole concept but I'm not sold on its advantage being worth th e added expense and time for me on a carry gun. But again...why are you taking such issue over my opinion about a piece of gear? It's not like you can prove what I think about it wrong or anything, so what gives? It's what I think as it relates to what I want on a carry gun. Whether you agree with what I think or not, are you going to lose sleep over it?
Ahh so nobody asked anything about it being a nreccessary device but you felt compelled anyway...thanks for the wonderful contribution to the the thread. Guy asks a reasonable question about his romeo and you decide to **** all over his romeo instead of being helpful or just passing by.

The problem is you have no idea what you are talking about and you offer your opinion as if anyone should listen. Pick things youi know about and then offer.

You have said in this thread that reflex sights won't help with poor vision...that is so far from the truth you have no idea. You can see the dot and the target in focus while wearing glasses. Many of us can't see the sights clearly with glasses on and can't see the target clearly without glasses, the dot and the target are both clear with glasses on. The fact that you don't know this is painfully obvious and your wrong information is not helpful to others. No I won't lose sleep over it, but any responsible member of this forum should want correct information posted and weed out the wronf info.

If you really are "intrigued by the whole concept" read and learn and stop trashing what you don't know.
steved13 is offline  
 
Old 04-20-2017, 02:49 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
GCBHM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 3,440
Quote:
Originally Posted by steved13 View Post
Dude, it was the equivalent of someone chiming in on a thread about sight pushers and commenting that you never see people asking about sight pushers with reflex sights. It's a bone head statement. If you don't want to own it, fine I don't really care.



Ahh so nobody asked anything about it being a nreccessary device but you felt compelled anyway...thanks for the wonderful contribution to the the thread. Guy asks a reasonable question about his romeo and you decide to **** all over his romeo instead of being helpful or just passing by.

The problem is you have no idea what you are talking about and you offer your opinion as if anyone should listen. Pick things youi know about and then offer.

You have said in this thread that reflex sights won't help with poor vision...that is so far from the truth you have no idea. You can see the dot and the target in focus while wearing glasses. Many of us can't see the sights clearly with glasses on and can't see the target clearly without glasses, the dot and the target are both clear with glasses on. The fact that you don't know this is painfully obvious and your wrong information is not helpful to others. No I won't lose sleep over it, but any responsible member of this forum should want correct information posted and weed out the wronf info.

If you really are "intrigued by the whole concept" read and learn and stop trashing what you don't know.
First, I haven't trashed anything, and secondly, yeah, thanks for the sage advice, bro! Speaking of just passing by...gee!
GCBHM is offline  
Old 04-20-2017, 06:10 PM   #20
Senior Member
 
Fardoche's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Ohio
Posts: 817
I get the feeling not many have actually handled a pistol with a reflex sight...

The dot is only visible once the sights are aligned. In effect, it's the brightest front sight you can have, only when the sights are aligned.

Other than being cumbersome, it's pretty effective.
HoosierDaddy likes this.
Fardoche is offline  
Old 04-20-2017, 08:01 PM   #21
Senior Member
 
kjmattakat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: US
Posts: 163
Quote:
Originally Posted by GCBHM View Post
At 45 my eyes aren't what they were even five years ago, but from my experience, if your can't see a standard sight or night sight, you're really not going to be able to see a little red dot much better.
You're wrong. I can't see the the sights at all without readers on, just a blurry mess but the dot is almost perfect. Definitely clear enough to get on target quickly and accurately. I only really need glasses for reading so I don't walk around with them on. If I get into an altercation chances are they're going to be in my pocket, even if they were something I wore all day I still wouldn't count on them staying on my face in a conflict. The RX is a great option and a Hell of a deal at it's price. If that's not a good enough reason for you as to why some people buy them then I don't know what to tell ya.


Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
kjmattakat is offline  
Old 04-20-2017, 08:28 PM   #22
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: MD
Posts: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fardoche View Post
I get the feeling not many have actually handled a pistol with a reflex sight...

The dot is only visible once the sights are aligned. In effect, it's the brightest front sight you can have, only when the sights are aligned.

Other than being cumbersome, it's pretty effective.


Uh no you can just use the dot and not cowitness it with the sights. Where the dot goes the bullets go, so you can actually have your eyes higher than the sights and see what you're aiming at rather than obscure the target with the sight alignment. That's the entire point of using a red dot, you don't have to maintain perfect alignment with the sight, which is important for shooting competitions where taking the extra time to realign for follow up shots costs points.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
DPeter85 likes this.
Wrecks is offline  
Old 04-21-2017, 01:49 AM   #23
Senior Member
 
steved13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: FL
Posts: 484
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fardoche View Post
I get the feeling not many have actually handled a pistol with a reflex sight...

The dot is only visible once the sights are aligned. In effect, it's the brightest front sight you can have, only when the sights are aligned.

Other than being cumbersome, it's pretty effective.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrecks View Post
Uh no you can just use the dot and not cowitness it with the sights. Where the dot goes the bullets go, so you can actually have your eyes higher than the sights and see what you're aiming at rather than obscure the target with the sight alignment. That's the entire point of using a red dot, you don't have to maintain perfect alignment with the sight, which is important for shooting competitions where taking the extra time to realign for follow up shots costs points.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If you think about it yes and no. The iron sights are aligned, because that is where the muzzle is pointed. If both systems are zeroed in and you put the gun in a vice, both sighting systems will be aligned on the same POI. The reflex sight could be mounted higher so that you wouldn't be able to see both systems at the same time, but technically they would have to be aligned...otherwise zero would be different.

This is the point I like to make when a new person is shooting with a reflex sight and talking about "having trouble finding the dot" The gun is in the same alignment for irons or reflex sight...the "trouble finding the dot" is all in our head, because we have a different sight picture and now our eyes are focused differently. If sights do cowitness, you could put the gun and our head in a vice and see all we are really doing is readjusting our eyes. If you can "find" the irons, when you bring up the gun, the dot has to be there also.

One of the big advantages of reflex over iron sights, is the fact that with Irons you must align the front sight, rear sight and the target while 2 out of 3 are out of focus...reflex sight put the dot on the target (anywhere in the window) and it's on target..and both are in focus. If you only have to align 2 things instead of 3 you are ahead of the game.

Last edited by steved13; 04-21-2017 at 01:58 AM.
steved13 is offline  
Old 04-21-2017, 03:07 AM   #24
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Springfield, VA
Posts: 355
So battery life may be the best reason to think about not running it on max all day, every day. Going from max brightness to medium will extend the battery life by ten times. From medium to the lowest setting extends the battery life another ten times.
That is one reason why there have been some discrepancies in battery life reports.
Alma is offline  
Old 04-21-2017, 03:43 AM   #25
Senior Member
 
GCBHM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 3,440
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjmattakat View Post
You're wrong. I can't see the the sights at all without readers on, just a blurry mess but the dot is almost perfect. Definitely clear enough to get on target quickly and accurately. I only really need glasses for reading so I don't walk around with them on. If I get into an altercation chances are they're going to be in my pocket, even if they were something I wore all day I still wouldn't count on them staying on my face in a conflict. The RX is a great option and a Hell of a deal at it's price. If that's not a good enough reason for you as to why some people buy them then I don't know what to tell ya.
Oh I understand why some people buy them, I never said I didn't. I can't speak to what you can see, or how well you can see it, but I can tell you that for me, when looking at the dot vs the sights on my gun, the difference is marginally different at best. Now, you say I'm wrong, then go on to say that you can't see the sights "at all" then say it's a blurry mess, but the dot is almost perfect...definitely "clear enough" to get on target quickly and accurately...OK, I'll give you that, although it does sort of come across to me like there probably isn't that bigga difference, but here's the thing. It's ok. I don't care. If you like it then use it, I certainly have no issues with it. I'm speaking to my experience, understanding and preferences, and given that, along with how you described the difference the dot makes for you, it doesn't warrant "me" spending the extra money. Cleary your millage varies, which is fine with me.

Here's the thing, though, where I am concerned as it relates to putting a red dot on a carry gun. Sure, it's cool, let there be no doubt, and I can see where it could give anyone a slightly quicker target acquisition in some circumstances, but, as mentioned, there are circumstances under which the sights could be rendered completely useless. Also, as you pointed out with your glasses, this is an optical device which can be broken or extinguished from a dead battery, or any number of things. You could drop or get your gun knocked out of your hand just as easily as you could get your glasses knocked off in a confrontation. The gun could fall directly on the optic and crush it rendering it useless. It also adds size to the gun. Whether that is necessary or unnecessary is up to the individual, but as I see it the dot simply isn't necessary for a carry gun. I do understand why some people would use them, and I have no problem with that...at all. I started out with a notion to get compelling arguments as to why "I" should consider one, and although I am intrigued by the concept, I'm still not sold on it for a carry gun. And you know what...it's ok! You still get to carry yours, and you don't have to worry about what I think of them.

Last edited by GCBHM; 04-21-2017 at 03:45 AM.
GCBHM is offline  
Old 04-21-2017, 03:50 AM   #26
Senior Member
 
GCBHM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 3,440
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fardoche View Post
Other than being cumbersome, it's pretty effective.
See, this is one of the reasons I don't employ the use of a dot on my carry gun. My sights are plenty effective now, and although a dot "may" make acquisition better in some cases, it seems to me it is a cumbersome addition that really is not "necessary" for effective shooting. It's perfectly fine with me if "anyone" wants to use them. Doesn't bother me at all. I do find it somewhat entertaining how quickly people can get spun up over a inanimate object, though. It's as if they take it as a personal insult...I don't get it. If you like it use it! It doesn't mean that you have to get upset if everyone doesn't see the need for it like you do.
Wrecks likes this.
GCBHM is offline  
Old 04-21-2017, 03:55 AM   #27
Senior Member
 
GCBHM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 3,440
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrecks View Post
Once again I will reiterate the RX comes with raised fiber optic iron sights that you can use to aim regardless of if the red dot is on or off. So you can both have your cake and eat it too and stop arguing about stuff that's tangential to the thread's topic at best.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Yeah...I got that, but thanks for the reiteration. Again, as I have said, I don't see why I should buy a cake I don't want, but, if, through discussion, one can be pushed over the edge to buy something they're intrigued by, but isn't sure they want to do, what harm is there in talking things through? This is a "discussion forum" and last time I checked, people are permitted to discuss things. Why are you taking exception to that? IDK If you don't want to participate then you're always free to pass on by. Just food for thought.

Last edited by GCBHM; 04-21-2017 at 06:58 AM.
GCBHM is offline  
Old 04-21-2017, 04:02 AM   #28
Senior Member
 
TAPnRACK01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Michigan
Posts: 168
The biggest advantage for me is how quickly I can engage multiple targets and the advantage of having less than perfect alignment during positional shooting. If the dot fails (battery/other) I still have my co-witness iron sights on the pistol. To each his own though... I really like them, although there really is a learning curve and it took some practice to quickly acquire the dot since I'm so used to traditional iron sights.

I don't carry mine since I have the full size model... but I wouldn't mind trying out the carry model and possibly carrying it. The Romeo 1 isn't that big and wouldn't think it would be much of hindrance to carry of It's OWB carry.

Just my 2 cents.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
GCBHM likes this.
TAPnRACK01 is online now  
Old 04-21-2017, 04:04 AM   #29
Super Moderator
Supporting Member
 
Malicious Compliance's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Location: Location:
Posts: 16,126
This battery life issue is rather disconcerting to me. If you are seriously talking about a battery life in terms of weeks, this device would not be on my defensive gun. No way. I've had my RMR'd G19 over 5 years now and am on my third battery, and this not because the battery failed (I've not had one die in my RMR) but rather I change the battery every couple of years for preventative maintenance, the RMR is always on. Battery life in weeks is unacceptable for a defensive tool IMHO.

As to a couple of bickering points in this thread, red dots are not for every set of eyes or vision challenges. Many with severe astigmatism can not use a red dot, all they see is a rather large bloom, making the device literally worthless. I always advise anyone considering a red dot to look at one, either one a friend owns or at a retail establishment, and see how your eyes react. I will never say it works for everyone. YMMV.

As to the advantage of a red dot on a defensive weapon, long gun or sidearm, this is a huge benefit. When shooting iron sights, the vast majority of shooters shoot with one eye closed, effectively closing down, what, 50, 60 degrees of your field of view? (The actual number here is not the point, please don't chime in to tell me it's only 37.2 degrees) With a red dot, you use the weapon with both eyes open, an indisputable advantage in a defensive scenario.

It saddens me to see the battery life of this SIG red dot is so abysmal. Further support for Trijicon and Aimpoint being my red dots of choice on defensive weapons.
KZero likes this.

Last edited by Malicious Compliance; 04-21-2017 at 04:07 AM.
Malicious Compliance is offline  
Old 04-21-2017, 04:07 AM   #30
Senior Member
 
GCBHM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Birmingham, AL
Posts: 3,440
Quote:
Originally Posted by TAPnRACK01 View Post
The biggest advantage for me is how quickly I can engage multiple targets and the advantage of having less than perfect alignment during positional shooting. If the dot fails (battery/other) I still have my co-witness iron sights on the pistol. To each his own though... I really like them, although there really is a learning curve and it took some practice to quickly acquire the dot since I'm so used to traditional iron sights.

I don't carry mine since I have the full size model... but I wouldn't mind trying out the carry model and possibly carrying it. The Romeo 1 isn't that big and wouldn't think it would be much of hindrance to carry of It's OWB carry.

Just my 2 cents.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk
Quote:
Originally Posted by Malicious Compliance View Post
This battery life issue is rather disconcerting to me. If you are seriously talking about a battery life in terms of weeks, this device would not be on my defensive gun. No way. I've had my RMR'd G19 over 5 years now and am on my third battery, and this not because the battery failed (I've not had one die in my RMR) but rather I change the battery every couple of years for preventative maintenance. Battery life in weeks is unacceptable for a defensive tool IMHO.

As to a couple of bickering points in this thread, red dots are not for every set of eyes or vision challenges. Many with severe astigmatism can not use a red dot, all they see is a rather large bloom, making the device literally worthless. I always advise anyone considering a red dot to look at one, either one a friend owns or at a retail establishment, and see how your eyes react. I will never say it works for everyone. YMMV.

As to the advantage of a red dot on a defensive weapon, long gun or sidearm, this is a huge benefit. When shooting iron sights, the vast majority of shooters shoot with one eye closed, effectively closing down, what, 50, 60 degrees of your field of view? (The actual number here is not the point, please don't chime in to tell me it's only 37.2 degrees) With a red dot, you use the weapon with both eyes open, an indisputable advantage in a defensive scenario.

It saddens me to see the battery life of this SIG red dot is so abysmal. Further support for Trijicon and Aimpoint being my red dots of choice on defensive weapons.
Gentlemen, thank you, very much, for your insights. Indeed worth having.
GCBHM is offline  
Reply

  SIG Talk > SIG Sauer Forum > SIG Sauer Pistols > P250 & P320 Modular Pistols

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar SIG Talk Discussions
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
FOUND! Found P229 Stainless Slide Bright (Not Black) to fit on my US 229-R frame Louski Classifieds 0 01-26-2017 11:13 AM


Top Gun Sites Top Sites List

Powered by vBulletin 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
Copyright © 2010 - 2017 SIG Talk. All rights reserved.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.SIG Talk is a SIG Sauer Firearms enthusiast's forum, but it is in no way affiliated with, nor does it represent SIG Sauer, Inc. of Exeter, NH.